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Re: Family History questions; Mramorak and before

Rudolf Huepfl
 

Kogaylene,
As said above, it is not considered as being the final answer. It is mainly a way how to look further. It would not be a surprise to see all kind of honour medals and similar on a sunday uniform. This was not ment for work but really for representations. Both marriages of my grandfather were in kuk uniform.
For better interpretation our specialists made an inprovement on the photo, which I herewith include. In case there is any news on the two brothers in uniform, I let you know. In my opinion, the cap could lead us towards the solution. For me it does not look like kuk military, but also not like railways or postal. When I checked for Honved or Kossuth, the front emblem looks also different.

Rudolf


Re: Lookup in Cenad - Tschanad

Betty Wagner
 

Cathy:

I cannot thank you enough for the info you provided. I will email you privately for access to your Ancestry page you mentioned to Jana (Slavicsista@...)

I have pages of information from two researchers - one from Romania and another from Serbia. I am trying to tie everything together to have another researcher check the church records to fill in any blanks I have.  It gets crazy. I'm married into a Wagner family with Wagner's of my own.

I'm 99% sure the Anton Rausch from 1833 is the guy I'm looking for. 

If you can provide the following from the Tschanad book it will help me tie my family to information I already have from North Rhine-Westfalen, Deutschland.
KOREK 2524
WAGNER 5026

RAUSCH 3935
KURTH 2958

Thank you very much
Betty


On 5/5/2021 10:33 AM, Cathy Malone wrote:
Hi Betty,

families 2529 and 2761 each span 2 pages.  The 4 files are attached.

I don't think the Anton born in 1831 is the person you are looking for because he married Margaretha Potchen in 1856 in Csanad.  I also looked at all the Rausch births in the 1831 through 1833 time period and do not see any births for a Joseph.  I had a similar situation years ago with my great great grandfather who lived and died in Johannisfeld but was born and from Hatzfeld.  He did not show up as a child with his parents in Hatzfeld.  I worked with Sue Clarkson (author of the Johannisfeld Familienbuch and we proved he was indeed the child of the parents listed in the Hatzfeld book.

I was researching my Csanad family book was published.  I did use a researcher in Romania to help me.  I think there are some researchers that the Banat group uses now.  Perhaps someone in the group can point you to one of these researchers.

Cathy


Re: Tschanad 1800s

Jana Kacur-Prah
 

Hello Cathy. Yes, please send me the Ancestry page privately. 
Thank you for all of your time and effort! This information will help fill in the pieces in my family's jigsaw puzzle genealogy.😀


On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 8:55 AM Cathy Malone <cao2@...> wrote:
Hi Jana,

Here are the ancesters from the Tschanad Family Book.  I've attached the pages from the Family Book.  The tree below is in Ancestry - marked private.  If you would like a like I can send to you and Betty privately.  I've also attached possible birth info for Gertrude since she is not listed in Tschanad book.  See original email from Betty Wagner and responses.

Cathy



Re: Family History questions; Mramorak and before

Kogaylene Ruddick
 

Rudolf,
Thanks, interesting never thought about railways.  If railways would they both be wearing a ribbon or medal?
Kogaylene

On May 7, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Rudolf Huepfl via groups.io <huepfl@...> wrote:

Kogaylene,
There was a long discussion here in Vienna on the sent Photo and the related uniforms. It became (in majority) clear that they do not look like any kuk military uniforms. Many went for fire brigade, but the most promising proposal so far is - railways. Anyway, it is not solved yet and there might be other ideas coming up.
Rudolf


Re: Family History questions; Mramorak and before

Rudolf Huepfl
 

Kogaylene,
There was a long discussion here in Vienna on the sent Photo and the related uniforms. It became (in majority) clear that they do not look like any kuk military uniforms. Many went for fire brigade, but the most promising proposal so far is - railways. Anyway, it is not solved yet and there might be other ideas coming up.
Rudolf


Re: Tschanad 1800s

Cathy Malone
 

Hi Jana,

Here are the ancesters from the Tschanad Family Book.  I've attached the pages from the Family Book.  The tree below is in Ancestry - marked private.  If you would like a like I can send to you and Betty privately.  I've also attached possible birth info for Gertrude since she is not listed in Tschanad book.  See original email from Betty Wagner and responses.

Cathy



New Chat: Banat Novoszella Szolles Nakovo Bedora family information #chat-notice

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Hello, I am looking for more information via book, cd, registry for the area of: Novoszella Szolles Nakovo Bedora. Spelling of my last name for that time was: Hellberg/Oelberg/Hohlberg/Hilberg. I keep watching the publications but seem to miss out on purchasing before they run out. I understand the Hellberg family at one point had 17 children which attributes to why there were so many Hellberg's in the Dolatz and Gier area. The Beodra baptismal register has my great great uncle Jacobus Olberg born 07/08 July 1857 son of Dominicus Olberg and Magdalena Petri. It lists that there is a picture of Jacobus Olberg I would like to get a copy of that picture and any other family member of that time. If someone has a book that they would like to sell would be interested in that also. I would like to get the information on the 17 children as well as finding out where in Germany Dominicus came from.
My family moved to the Gier/Dolatz area and continued to populate and travel to other countries as the wars and rebellions continued. Thank you for your support and information you have helped me and many others tremendously to find our family heritage and fill in the puzzle of the past.
Cordially Always,
Gary Helberg

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Re: next question

Karoly Hajdu
 

Hi Thomas,

 

There were several types of Guldens in Europe at the time.

In the Austrian and Hungarian territories, 1 Taler was worth 2 Guldens.

https://www.heinlenews.de/muenzverschie.htm#umrechnungen

 

The 56,5 thousand USD = around 1 kg Gold.

 

Yes it is really a large amount.

(In Hungary, even today, we have to work an average of 6 years for 1 kg Gold 😉 ).

 

Best Regards,

Károly

 

 

From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:41 AM
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Subject: Re: [banat] next question

 

 

It is really a large amount

About 1750 the earnings of a year: about 50 - 100 Taler (teacher), 70 Taler (Carpenter).

1 Gulden = 2/3 Taler

1280 Gulden = 853 Taler = the earnings of about 8-16 Years.

 

see also

 

greetings from Germany

Thomas (Makkos)

 

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Thomas Makkos
86167 Augsburg 
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Email: thomas@...
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Am Do., 6. Mai 2021 um 08:28 Uhr schrieb Karoly Hajdu <karoly.hajdu@...>:


Calculated on a gold background:

1 Gulden (Forint) = 0,765 gr Gold (in 18th century)
1 gr Gold = 57,7878 USD (this morning exchange rate)
1 Gulden = about 44 USD
1280 Gulden = about 56,5 thousand USD

Greetings,
Károly Hajdu
From Budapest

-----Original Message-----
From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kogaylene Ruddick via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 6 May, 2021 01:38
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Subject: [banat] next question

Hope my questions aren’t too much.  I do my best to look online and do research but often can’t find answers so thats why I ask here.

Family from Germany to Hungary in 1820 says in records that he had 1280 gulden on him.  Any idea if this was Austrian or hungarian currency and how much this might be in today’s dollars so I can know if this a very large amount.

Thanks for any help.

Kogaylene









Re: next question

Thomas
 


It is really a large amount
About 1750 the earnings of a year: about 50 - 100 Taler (teacher), 70 Taler (Carpenter).
1 Gulden = 2/3 Taler
1280 Gulden = 853 Taler = the earnings of about 8-16 Years.

see also

greetings from Germany
Thomas (Makkos)

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Thomas Makkos
86167 Augsburg	
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Email: thomas@...
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Am Do., 6. Mai 2021 um 08:28 Uhr schrieb Karoly Hajdu <karoly.hajdu@...>:


Calculated on a gold background:

1 Gulden (Forint) = 0,765 gr Gold (in 18th century)
1 gr Gold = 57,7878 USD (this morning exchange rate)
1 Gulden = about 44 USD
1280 Gulden = about 56,5 thousand USD

Greetings,
Károly Hajdu
From Budapest

-----Original Message-----
From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kogaylene Ruddick via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 6 May, 2021 01:38
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Subject: [banat] next question

Hope my questions aren’t too much.  I do my best to look online and do research but often can’t find answers so thats why I ask here.

Family from Germany to Hungary in 1820 says in records that he had 1280 gulden on him.  Any idea if this was Austrian or hungarian currency and how much this might be in today’s dollars so I can know if this a very large amount.

Thanks for any help.

Kogaylene










Re: next question

Karoly Hajdu
 

Calculated on a gold background:

1 Gulden (Forint) = 0,765 gr Gold (in 18th century)
1 gr Gold = 57,7878 USD (this morning exchange rate)
1 Gulden = about 44 USD
1280 Gulden = about 56,5 thousand USD

Greetings,
Károly Hajdu
From Budapest

-----Original Message-----
From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kogaylene Ruddick via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 6 May, 2021 01:38
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Subject: [banat] next question

Hope my questions aren’t too much. I do my best to look online and do research but often can’t find answers so thats why I ask here.

Family from Germany to Hungary in 1820 says in records that he had 1280 gulden on him. Any idea if this was Austrian or hungarian currency and how much this might be in today’s dollars so I can know if this a very large amount.

Thanks for any help.

Kogaylene


Re: next question

Dave Dreyer
 

Kogaylene,

You might check the Flacker Pages.  Your question refers to the typical material covered by Helmut Flacker.

Dave Dreyer

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021, 04:37:44 PM PDT, Kogaylene Ruddick <kdruddick@...> wrote:


Hope my questions aren’t too much.  I do my best to look online and do research but
often can’t find answers so thats why I ask here.

Family from Germany to Hungary in 1820 says in records that he had 1280 gulden on
him.  Any idea if this was Austrian or hungarian currency and how much this might be
in today’s dollars so I can know if this a very large amount.

Thanks for any help.

Kogaylene





next question

Kogaylene Ruddick
 

Hope my questions aren’t too much. I do my best to look online and do research but
often can’t find answers so thats why I ask here.

Family from Germany to Hungary in 1820 says in records that he had 1280 gulden on
him. Any idea if this was Austrian or hungarian currency and how much this might be
in today’s dollars so I can know if this a very large amount.

Thanks for any help.

Kogaylene


Re: German ? occupation

Kogaylene Ruddick
 

Thank you to everyone for helping me figure out what Gemeinsmann means!  I had seen that members of the family
were mayors and such so definitely Aldersman and mayor makes sense.
Kogaylene

On May 5, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Rosina T. Schmidt <rosinatschmidt@...> wrote:

Gemeinsmann = Aldersman 


Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 05052021AD--, at 5:11 43000AM, Wayne Bartl <wbartl@...> wrote:

Gemeinsmann . I  found this explanation on the internet.  

Community or common, in some areas, especially Upper Germany. 1. The member of a community, especially a village community, which in some places is also called a common man. 

2. A kind of head of a village community, so maybe that is what is a home guarantor in Thuringia. In the Bareuthian village of Werndorf, the two village councils are called mayors from the ages. In Bißthume Augsburg there are community leaders in the villages, who are presumably just that. At least the community masters in Saxony, Heimbürgen or Syndici of the village community. 

3. A joint arbitrator, in Upper German. 

4. Who is in community with someone else, a companion, even only in Upper German.



On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:11 AM Michael Kaiser via groups.io <mkdt=unity-mail.de@groups.io> wrote:

Hey,

a Gemeinsmann or Achtermann is a elected representative of a community. Something like a mayor.


Am 05.05.2021 um 06:10 schrieb Kogaylene Ruddick:
I have tried online but can’t figure out what this occupation is:

               Gemeinsmann in Raidelbach

Kogaylene Ruddick
-- 
Schönen Tag noch ...


Michael Kaiser
Redakteur (DJV)
Oerlinghauser Str. 112
32758 Detmold

https://mchlksr.de

+49 (0)5232 850216 fon
+49 (0)176 47526280 mobil 





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moderated Re: How are you doing?

 

Pat Haley ??
Be more than happy to help, just a bit confused as to how
Mike

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 10:28 AM Pat Haley <patibaja@...> wrote:
Hi
Hope this email finds you well?
Please can I ask you a little favor?
I'm unavailable on phone. Please let me know if you would help?

Hope to read back from you soon

Thank you
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Tschanad 1800s

Jana Kacur-Prah
 

Hello. Would someone with the Family Book on Tschanad
(Is Deutsch Tschanad the same?) be able to look up the ancestors of:
      Karoly Wellinger/Velinger&
      Erzsebet Natl/Natly/Natli ?
They are the parents of my maternal great-grandmother,
Gertrud Wellinger, born on March 16, 1846.
Thank you so much!
Jana


Re: Gilad - In the familybook Tschakowa

elaine ess
 

Thank you Andrew!  

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 4:27 PM Andrew Lengenfelder via groups.io <andyl1937=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, attached find the results of the Tschakowa Church Book. Not quite as you thought.


Re: Gilad - In the familybook Tschakowa

 

Hi, attached find the results of the Tschakowa Church Book. Not quite as you thought.


Re: German ? occupation

Rosina T. Schmidt
 

Gemeinsmann = Aldersman 


Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 05052021AD--, at 5:11 43000AM, Wayne Bartl <wbartl@...> wrote:

Gemeinsmann . I  found this explanation on the internet.  

Community or common, in some areas, especially Upper Germany. 1. The member of a community, especially a village community, which in some places is also called a common man. 

2. A kind of head of a village community, so maybe that is what is a home guarantor in Thuringia. In the Bareuthian village of Werndorf, the two village councils are called mayors from the ages. In Bißthume Augsburg there are community leaders in the villages, who are presumably just that. At least the community masters in Saxony, Heimbürgen or Syndici of the village community. 

3. A joint arbitrator, in Upper German. 

4. Who is in community with someone else, a companion, even only in Upper German.



On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:11 AM Michael Kaiser via groups.io <mkdt=unity-mail.de@groups.io> wrote:

Hey,

a Gemeinsmann or Achtermann is a elected representative of a community. Something like a mayor.


Am 05.05.2021 um 06:10 schrieb Kogaylene Ruddick:
I have tried online but can’t figure out what this occupation is:

               Gemeinsmann in Raidelbach

Kogaylene Ruddick
-- 
Schönen Tag noch ...


Michael Kaiser
Redakteur (DJV)
Oerlinghauser Str. 112
32758 Detmold

https://mchlksr.de

+49 (0)5232 850216 fon
+49 (0)176 47526280 mobil 




Banat Books News - Perkos, Gross-Scham, Klopodia & Ferendia FB PDFs #feed

everybody@banat.groups.io Integration <everybody@...>
 
Edited

Perkos, Groß-Scham, Klopodia & Ferendia FB PDFs

The HOG-Großscham-Perkos Working Group has published the final version of the Perkos Familienbuch.
Familienbuch Perkos

The HOG-Großscham-Perkos has also taken the decision to make available PDF files of all of their work.

All the PDF files have been indexed. So for example, from the Table of Contents there are embedded links that jump to that Section of the FB. You can easily return to the Table of Contents by clicking on the header or footer of any page.

The Acrobat Search function is particularly good for finding family information. However, with such large files, searching for common names such as "Johann" will take some time... So be prepared! Also, setting the page size to 75-100%, has proven its worth. These PDFs are for 'big screen' use.

Status of the Work:
FB Perkos: Completed (as much as any FB is "finished")
FB Groß-Scham: The Family data is entered, but work is proceeding
FB Klopodia: More work to be done, but data available now
FB Ferendia: More work to be done, but data available now

We highly recommend perusing the entire website. It is very well organised and contains much more information about the whole area, the culture and traditions. As they say on their "Wir" (We) page "...Have fun browsing and do not forget, we are grateful for suggestions and contributions. Please contact us." email: erichmueller-darmstadt@...

The direct link to their Genealogy downloads page is HOG-Großscham. Please scroll to the bottom of the page to find the links to the PDF files. If you have any questions about the Genealogy page, please contact us via email: gen.clandata@...

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