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look-up Neupetsch - Ulmbach

Rudolf Huepfl
 

Dear members, When crosschecking my people in the Huepfl tree, I found an hint for the family book of Ulmbach-Neupetsch related to family Michael Riesz and Hupfel Magdalena, numbered 3986, page 547; including two of their children, Michael, No. 3988 and Josef, No. 3989, both on same page 547.
Would be any of you, who has this family book, be so kind and copy/scan/photo this entry and send it to me for counter check with the relevant entry of Lenauheim. Magdalena happens to be the sister of my grandpa.
Greetings from Vienna, Austria
Rudolf Huepfl


Re: {Banat}Seeking Gertianosch --German 1st Settler names

Cathy Reece
 

Thank you so much’
Cathy

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 5:10 PM N Bambach <nbambach@...> wrote:
The publisher of Hoffman's book is listed as Schwäbische Verlags-AG, Timișoara
There is one other potential resource: Petri's Herkunftsorte der Gertianoscher Kolonisten


Re: {Banat}Seeking Gertianosch --German 1st Settler names

N Bambach
 

The publisher of Hoffman's book is listed as Schwäbische Verlags-AG, Timișoara
There is one other potential resource: Petri's Herkunftsorte der Gertianoscher Kolonisten


{Banat}Seeking Gertianosch --German 1st Settler names

Cathy Reece
 

To all,

I'm seeking the names of the18 Hatzfelder Families , who moved to
Gertianosch in 1781 and became 1st settlers in Gertianosch.


In 'Gertianosch" book by Michael Mettler 1963 Publication, these families requested to move to the new village and their request was approved by the Vienna Imperial court on July 2,1781. They moved in October 1781 to Gertianosch. This village was also settled by Romanians(their surnames are in the Mettler book).

The surnames of these 18 Hatzfelder families that formed the foundation of German Gertianosch is not in the Mettler book.

Does anyone have the book by Dr. Matthias Hoffman entitled "Hundred fifty years in Gertianosch" published in 1935. If so, could you be so kind as to see if Dr. Hoffman lists the names of these 18 Hatzfelder families.  I am interested in their names.  

I have a number of first settlers to Gertianosch ,who are my ancestors.  The genealogist was able to trace some,but not all, back to countries of origin prior to the Banat. I continue my search.

If this information is not in the Hoffman book "Hundertfuenzige Jahre im Gertianosch" does anyone know where I can find it? Also who is the publisher of Dr. Hoffman's book?

Many thanks in advance for your help.

Cathy


Re: Heufeld Look Up Request

 

Mark,

Here are the pertinent entries from the older Heufeld FB; sorry, I'm on the road and don't have the info from the newer FB!

Cheers,

Bill

3635 WEIER Peter, aus Linsburg ? (Veier, Weiher)
+Mst., 02.12.1824, HNr.52, Wr, oAa.
I. NN Magdalena,
01. Margaretha *1780 ? oo Johann Weismann (3656)
02. Peter *08.09.1782 +26.02.1783 Mst. 52
II. NN Anna Maria,
oo vor, 1786 ?
03. Mathias *20.08.1786 Hfd. 27
- 410 -
CD-Familienbuch Heufeld-Mastort 2010

3636 WEIHER Johann, aus Luxemburg Mst. 52
NN Margaretha, aus Luxemburg
*, 1742 ?
+Mst., 04.02.1812, HNr.1, 70 J.
01. Maria Anna *05.03.1784 Mst. 52
02. Mathias *06.04.1787 Mst. 62 ? oo (3640)
3636a WEIHER (WEYER) Kinder, Die Eltern sind nicht bekannt.
01. Jakob *1772 ? +20.05.1785 Mst. 52 13 J.
02. Johann *1785 ? +29.01.1803 KiO. 16 J.

3637 WEIHER (WEIER) Christoph, Sv Kaspar W. u. Maria NN in Hfd. 46
*Hfd., 10.11.1784, HNr.46

3638 WAYER (WEYER) Paul, Sv Hans Georg W. u. Maria NN
*Hfd., ...05.1790, HNr.46, (Weier, Weiher)

3639 WEJER (VAJER) ?, Sv Johann Wajer u. Elisabeth Hentrein
*Gje., 01.02.1775, (Weier) Gje.
+Sar., 16.05.1812
BELGRAM Anna, (Belgrand)
oo Hfd., 08.05.1798 Tz: Johann Majer u. Johann Tomasin
01. Franz *24.08.1799 Mst. 52 oo (3642)
02. Nikolaus *11.06.1801 +25.11.1802 KiO.
03. Nikolaus *17.03.1804 KiO.
04. Jakob *1806 ? ? oo 18.11.1827 Sar. Maria Anna Schreiner
05. Maria *29.09.1808 +20.01.1811 Sar.
06. Mathias *29.04.1811 +15.07.1821 Sar.
Josef Kühn: Fb. Sartscha 1917-Hans Wikete: Fb. Großjetscha 1 Aufl. S. 281

3640 WEIHER Mathias, (3636.2)
*Hfd., 06.04.1787, HNr.62
WERSCHING Katharina,
oo Hfd., 09.02.1808 Tz: Mathias Weber u. Peter Linn
Bem: +12.09.1807 KiO. Katharina Tv Mathias Wajer, oAa.

3641 WEIER Valentin, Sv Georg W. u. Maria NN in Hfd. 48
*Hfd., 01.08.1814, HNr.48, siehe auch 3638 Weier Georg

3642 WEJER (VAJER) Franz, (3639.1)
*Mst., 24.08.1799, HNr.52
PEICZ (PEITZ) Theresia, (2415.6)
*Mst., 11.02.1803, HNr.52
oo Hfd., 03.02.1822 Tz: Christoph Bundy u. Adam Weismann
01. Johann *25.05.1823 *20.12.1824 Sar.
02. Susanna *10.01.1826 *21.01.1826 Sar.
03. Josef *06.02.1827 Sar.
Josef Kühn: Fb. Sartsche 1918

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...>
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2021 9:01 pm
Subject: Re: [banat] Heufeld Look Up Request

Could I trouble someone to do another Heufeld lookup?  I'm looking for the surname Weier (var. Weyer, Vajer).  Thanks!


Re: Heufeld Look Up Request

Mark Zajac
 

Could I trouble someone to do another Heufeld lookup?  I'm looking for the surname Weier (var. Weyer, Vajer).  Thanks!


Re: Jahrmarkt Lookup

 

Thanks again Daniel for all the information. I will look into the tree https://gw.geneanet.org/akahlesz?n=schmitt&oc=1&p=katharina you suggested. 
Mike

On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 11:37 AM Daniel Hilaire <danielhilaire@...> wrote:
Cher Mike,

Katharina SCHMITT had half-brother and half-sisters in Banat.
Her father, Nicolas SCHMITT xx Barbe HOUPERT in 1756 and had 2 daughters and 1 son. The whole family emigrated to Banat.
You'll find details on the very good Geneanet file managed by Andras KAHLESZ
I don't know if Andras is a member of this list but he is for sure a member of the Facebook group "Lorrains du Banat".

About Picardy this is not a part of Lorraine but a distinct province of France near the border with Eastern Belgium.
At the end of the 30 Years War, lot of inhabitants of Picardy emigrated to Lorraine where the was plenty of of abandoned farms.
The RASILIER family did this journey from "La Bouteille" to "Val de Gueblange" and "Wentzwiller". This was probably in 1697-1698.
2 generations later, the descendants made the trip to Banat.
And 5 generations later, some descendants emigrated to USA! And since they spoke German when they arrived, they were called Hungarian-Germans.

Daniel


De : everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> de la part de Michael Scholz <Mikey.berns@...>
Envoyé : samedi 5 juin 2021 11:26
À : everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io>
Objet : Re: [banat] Jahrmarkt Lookup
 
Thanks Daniel as always you have been very helpful. I was aware that Johann and Anna Katharine came from the Lorraine area but never knew the specific area, Picardy
What I was hoping to find in the Jahrmarkt FB is the death date for Katharina Falck, and whether Katharina Schmidt had any family ithere.
Thanks again 
Mike Scholz.


On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 3:24 AM Daniel Hilaire <danielhilaire@...> wrote:
Bonjour Michael,

Johann and Katharina are both originated from Lorraine.

But, before Lorraine, the RASILIER family was living in Picardy.

Don't hesitate if you need more information,

Daniel
"Lorrains du Banat"
Lorrains du Banat has 437 members. Ce groupe est un lieu d'échanges entre tous ceux qui s'intéressent à l'émigration des familles lorraines au Banat, durant le 18ème siècle. Les descendants de ces...



De : everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> de la part de Michael Scholz <Mikey.berns@...>
Envoyé : vendredi 4 juin 2021 00:28
À : everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io>
Objet : [banat] Jahrmarkt Lookup
 

Hi everyone looking for some help on the following
 From the Ostern FB... Johann Jakob Rasilier (Larslier) b: abt 1739 immigrated to Jahrmarkt in 1770 with 1st wife Anna Karharina Falck who died  before June 1771
Married 2nd wife Katharina Schmidt  b: abt 1742  m: 22 june 1771 in Jahrmarkt
Both surnames Schmidt and Larslier appear in the Jahrmarkt family name index
any information  hopefully parents , birth place and siblings would be great.
scans appriciated.
Thanks
Mike Scholz






Look-up in 'Alt Tschanad' or 'Nemet Tschanad' ; Schnitchen/Schnitye

Jana Kacur-Prah
 

Hello Everyone. I am hoping I can get a look-up for my great-great Grandmother,
 Margit Schnitchen, who was born around 1799 (possibly October 20), mother of Borbala, born 19 August, 1840 in Ujszentivan (?)
 Marton Schmeltzer was her husband. I think she had been previously married.
 And could someone please tell me if there is a difference geographically between Old Cenad and German Cenad, or are these terms used interchangeably?
Also, could Schuntse/Schuntze be a variant of Schnitchen?
Thanks so much for all of your help!
Jana



 


Re: Timisoara, Temesburg, Temeswar Family Books

molnar
 

I should have mentioned that the "Simonyis" were located in Mehala. Thanks again!


Re: Timisoara, Temesburg, Temeswar Family Books

Linda Sohl
 

Just following up on Rudolf’s message - WorldCat suggests that the Reiter book (a 2-volume set) is only available in 2 libraries in Germany (Staats- und Stadtbibliothek Augsburg and Bayerische Staatsbibliothek in Munich).

Cheers,
Linda



On Jun 7, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rudolf Huepfl via groups.io <huepfl@...> wrote:

Dear all, Sorry for having not fully/completly informed.
I was of the meaning, this book is widely known. Now I learn that even Karen informs on the old books of Edgar Aldag which stop around 1834 and are available within the Banatbooks.
The family book I mentioned is from Nicolaus Reiter, see annexed picture of the release in Romania. To turn down the easy second question, unfortunately I do not have a copy of this book. However, I could get in contact with Nicolaus Reiter in Germany and do hope not to create a big problem in his mail box now. I reached him under:(mailto:nikolaus.reiter@... ] . I am in no relation to him nor the romanian provider, but simply a researcher on my family. I have no detailed idea how one could buy this book.
Hope this clarifies my entry of yesterday
Rudolf Huepfl

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Re: Timisoara, Temesburg, Temeswar Family Books

molnar
 

Thank you for the clarification, Rudolf. I'm wondering if anyone who has this FB would mind looking up the "Simonyi" (different spelling possible) and "Feimer" families. They emigrated to the U.S. in the very early 1900s, and I've only been able to trace the "Simonyi" side back to Nicholas Simonyi who was born on Feb 28, 1838 (place unknown). I believe he was married to Margarethe Bohn in Johannisfeld on May 17, 1859. The Feimer side appears to have been located in Ulmbach. I have that FB. Thank you in advance for any assistance with this!

 
 


Re: Timisoara, Temesburg, Temeswar Family Books

Rudolf Huepfl
 

Dear all, Sorry for having not fully/completly informed.
I was of the meaning, this book is widely known. Now I learn that even Karen informs on the old books of Edgar Aldag which stop around 1834 and are available within the Banatbooks.
The family book I mentioned is from Nicolaus Reiter, see annexed picture of the release in Romania. To turn down the easy second question, unfortunately I do not have a copy of this book. However, I could get in contact with Nicolaus Reiter in Germany and do hope not to create a big problem in his mail box now. I reached him under:(mailto:nikolaus.reiter@... ] . I am in no relation to him nor the romanian provider, but simply a researcher on my family. I have no detailed idea how one could buy this book.
Hope this clarifies my entry of yesterday
Rudolf Huepfl


Re: Timisoara, Temesburg, Temeswar Family Books

Karen Dalton Preston
 

The family books for Temeswar are all available from the publisher, Cardamina Verlag in Germany.  Contact info and prices are on banatbooks at http://www.banatbooks.com/FamilienbuchList.htm - scroll down to the “T’s”; they are all listed under Temeschburg, the German version of the place name.

—Karen


On Jun 7, 2021, at 8:45 AM, molnar <molnar15@...> wrote:

I, too, would like to know how to get this family book containing information on Mehala! Thank you so much!

Beth Molnar


Re: Timisoara, Temesburg, Temeswar Family Books

molnar
 

I, too, would like to know how to get this family book containing information on Mehala! Thank you so much!

Beth Molnar


Re: Banaters in St Louis

Dave Dreyer
 

Julie;

You focused on a point which I found very disappointing in the Gergen book.  There was no hint in the book of the characteristic leisure aspects in the lives of St Louis Banaters.  Although life was not all strudel and blast Kapellas, beer gardens probably with dancing, must also have been a big factor in the life German communities.  It is hard to imagine Banater life without the same social aspects of German life in St Louis as were found the Banat communities of the Heimat.  There was also no discussion of the typical self help organizations which were a feature of German ethnic communities.
I have a feeling that, in spite of the careful research, Moore has little association with ethnic Germans and possibility cannot read German thus missing any literature which was not available in English.

Dave Dreyer


On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 06:35:44 AM PDT, Julie Karner <julie.karner@...> wrote:


Thank you for the info   I'll order a copy of this book.  My Mercydorf family came to St. Louis in 1904. The men  had been back and forth working in the electrical and train-car building and finishing trades, before finally making the move with the entire family.  Half the family settling in St. Louis and others received land grants in Alabama as farmers.   They were the community in St. Louis, catholic Churches but German and Hungarian.  St. Louis had it sections of immigrants, The Bevo area being Predominantly German and Hungarian, The Czech Hall, a Spanish Society, and "The Hill", Italian.  Many Banat names were the founders of great companies, Anheuser, Bensinger, Schnuck, Schuh, Bayer. 
As a child I remember going to the Strassen Fest and doing the Polka - everyone was so happy to be there with friends and relatives. 
I try to imaging picking up and moving to another country and not speaking the language.  It was a leap of faith for all of them. Anyone who has ever done this can truly appreciate the sacrifice.   It is enlightening. 
Thanks again Dave for bringing this book to our attention.    Julie Karner (Kraus) 
--
Julie Karner Menendez
Searching for information on The Kraus, Cserszy, Reich, Gyeppo from Mercydorf 

Pinehurst North Carolina


Re: Banaters in Chicago

Sue Young
 

The Chicago group has a web site, http://www.donauchicago.com/ . I don't think my family was active in it at all, they came to Chicago just after 1900. They were active in the German community in Lincoln Park and later in the Mayfair neighborhood although I found a census record that my Grandpa Krich was working at a blacksmith shop in west Rogers Park in 1910. He became a cement mason when cars came in.

Sue Young (Krich/Weber)

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 3:21 PM Fran Matkovich <mjm1021@...> wrote:
Also be aware that there are still active Donauschwaben Clubs in Chicago, St. Louis, Cincinnati, and many other US towns.

Fran Matkovich


On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:05 PM, Michele <michele@...> wrote:

Thank you, Fran, for this information. My family settled in the Lincoln Park area, and I'm looking forward to finding some of the books you recommended.

Michele


Re: Banaters in Chicago

Fran Matkovich <mjm1021@...>
 

Also be aware that there are still active Donauschwaben Clubs in Chicago, St. Louis, Cincinnati, and many other US towns.

Fran Matkovich


On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:05 PM, Michele <michele@...> wrote:

Thank you, Fran, for this information. My family settled in the Lincoln Park area, and I'm looking forward to finding some of the books you recommended.

Michele


Re: Banaters in Chicago

Michele
 

Thank you, Fran, for this information. My family settled in the Lincoln Park area, and I'm looking forward to finding some of the books you recommended.

Michele


Re: Banaters in Chicago

Fran Matkovich <mjm1021@...>
 

Just an added note on Chicago Refugee Rescue.  The book is still available at Amazon and many other places.

More books on Germans in Chicago:
Lincoln Park Chicago - Melanie Ann Apel Aradia Publishing 2002

German Chicago Revisited - Raymond Lohne,  Bella Bambina Productions 2001

Lost German Chicago - Joseph C. Heinen and Susan Barton Heinen
Arcadia Publishing 2009

German Chicago The Danube Swabians and the American Aid Societies 
Raymond Lohne Acadia Publishing 1999

Also of interest — The Great Swabian Migration (Der Grosse Schwabenzug). A historical novel by Adam Muller-Guttenbrunn
Pannonia Press 2012

Fran Matkovich

On Jun 6, 2021, at 8:29 AM, sparkle collie via groups.io <sparklecollie@...> wrote:


Dave,

I live in Mansfield, Ohio and there were many Banaters who came here, including my paternal grandparents.  If there is any way I can help please let me know.

Raising handKathy White
sparklecollie@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Fran Matkovich <mjm1021@...>
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jun 6, 2021 7:56 am
Subject: Re: [banat] Banaters in Chicago

Chicago Banaters tended to settle in the vicinity of Lincoln Park in  Chicago.

Raymond Lohne has written several books on the Germans in Lincoln Park Chicago.  Of special interest is The Great Chicago Refugee Rescue, still available in old book stores.

Fran Matkovich


On Jun 5, 2021, at 11:32 PM, Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@...> wrote:



With thanks to my coauthor, Josette Hatter, I recently received a copy of the newly published work entitled "The names of John Gergen"----subtitled "Immigrant Identities in the Early Twentieth-Century St. Louis", by Benjamin Moore (2021, Univ of Missouri Press, $50).   The work tracks the life of an infant, John, born in Gr St Nikolaus. who was brought by his father to St Louis.  The kid was shortly returned to the Banat in the care of a relative and, in turn, back to St Louis by his mother with his two siblings..  The three siblings were left in the care of extended family members (mainly from Billed) and their mother more or less disappears from the picture.
The author carefully documents these events using American records, as well as discussions of  the nature of the Banat community of St Louis in which John  grows up, especially the education system and how it accommodates the German immigrant community.  There is no direct evidence of how John feels about the institutions which shape his development in his new home.  
The author apparently ignores the rich trove of Banat records available from the German Banat community in Germany which would allow some judgement on comparison with that in St Louis.  Did they still celebrate the Kirchwieh, did anyone bring their Tracht to the New World, was Sunday afternoon card playing an institution among the older men?  Among the Banat resources would be the Heimat books which have been published for most Banat localities.   The HOGs of Banat are another possible source of background information.  Many HOGs publish an annual "Kalender". The Billed "Billeder Heimatblatt" is an especially beautifully illustrated and produced annual publication of almost 200 pages.  Between the 2018 and 2019 issues one can count about a half dozen Gergen families as Billed HOG members. What might they have contributed to the story? 
Moore's work likely will be of special interests to St Louis Banaters.
It is not obvious what conclusions the author has drawn from his study.  The frequent changes of address in the same St Louis neighborhood suggest some degree of domestic turmoil.  In short, a stark account of the reviewers experience here in San Mateo will illustrate the problem.  A German immigrate friend (not a Banater) once remarked to me, "My life is such a mess.  My wife is unhappy here and wants to return to Germany.,  My kids say, No way!  We're staying here!  He explained, I don't care, I can live in either place".  After some months I never saw him so they apparently solved their problem. 
With one foot in the old Heimat and the other in a new, far different challenging home, there would have been more then enough opportunity for family discord, not just for him but among the relatives John  lived with. 
These questions aside, Moore has demonstrated the possibilities to reconstruct the relationships among Banaters locally as they settle in a New World locality.  It is easy enough to pick out the Banaters from the U. S. census since they speak German but come from Hungary.  This leads to their records in the passenger ship manifests.  A surprising number of Banater family trees can be found in Ancestry and Family Search.  These can be fleshed out and verified with data from the appropriate Family books which are increasingly available. The details can be built up to provide a picture of the process of the formation of a new Banat community.  This would be impractical for a large place like Chicago or New York but could be work with more modest places like Mansfield, Ohio, Wyandotte, Mich or Harrisburg, Penn.  

Dave Dreyer
  


Re: Albrechtsflor Family Book Pre-order

Karoly Hajdu
 

Hello Karen,

 

I don’t need to go to Budapest. I live in Budapest.

I am very happy to help you interpret and/or translate Hungarian text.

 

Best regrds,

Károly

From Budapest

 

From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Dalton Preston via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, 6 June, 2021 15:00
To: Banat.io List <everybody@banat.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [banat] Albrechtsflor Family Book Pre-order

 

Hello Károly,

 

The manuscript for the Albrechtsflor book has been sent to Germany for final review since the text is in English and in German.

 

As soon as I have a publication date and the cost, I will announce it on the Banat List and on the banatbooks.com website.

 

Thank you very much for your kind offer of help.  I am starting a new family book project for Heufeld & Mastort.  I may find people who went to Budapest, or I may need some help with translating Hungarian.  Sometimes Google Translate does not seem to be able to translate older text.

 

I hope you and your family are staying safe.  My husband and I have both been vaccinated, so we are doing well.

 

With best regards,

—Karen

 

 



On Jun 6, 2021, at 6:27 AM, Karoly Hajdu <karoly.hajdu@...> wrote:

 

Hi Karen,

 

I hope you are well and the covid virus has been avoided in a big arc.

 

I would like to ask how could you managed to progress with the Albrechtsflor Family book?

Do you have a scheduled release date?

 

The question is a bit silly, but can I help you with something from Budapest?

 

Best regards,

Károly

 

 

From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Dalton Preston via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 20 October, 2020 14:42
To: Banat.io List <everybody@banat.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [banat] Albrechtsflor Family Book Pre-order

 

Hi Lynn,

 

The Albrechtsflor announcement was a pre-publication announcement.  I will add you to the pre-order list.  We must wait until the end of Dec. for input from Albrechtsflor descendants, so the book will not be available until early 2021.

 

When I have pricing and a release date, it will be announced on the Banat List and on the banatbooks website.

 

Best,

—Karen




On Oct 20, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Lynn Richardson <vwlady344@...> wrote:

 

I would like to order this book.  How do I go about it?

 

Sincerely,

 

Lynn Meier Richardson


 

 

 

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 1:08 PM David Preston <banatmailer@...> wrote:

PLEASE NOTE:

This is a MANDATORY NOTICE that is required by the GDPR (General Data Protection Rights) law in the EU.

It is to allow those with direct lineage (parents or self) born in Albrechtsflor to ask to have their families DELETED.

It is NOT a pre-order!

-- 
David Preston
Banat List Admin

 

 


-- 
Lynn Richardson

 

 

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