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Parish of Crai Nou/Novi Kraj/Belsőmajor

Florian Straub
 

Hi all,

does anybody know to which parish this village belonged in the 19th century?

Thanks in advance

Flo


Re: Marienfeld Look-up for LEUTNER/LEITNER #Marienfeld

Erin Kampf
 

Hi everyone - Thank you for all your replies

@Andy - Thank you for doublechecking!

@Charles - Thanks for the St. Hubert look-ups. I actually did have the marriage record from the church book, but you were able to decipher a couple of names/details that I was struggling with, so greatly appreciated. In the FB, do you know what this is referencing: "*Marienfeld ..," Usually a * indicates birth, but as far as I know, both the bride and the groom were born in Lothringen, so not sure what this refers to.

@Fran - Great to hear from you and thanks for the offer. I already have the details from 1770 - 1852 book. I don't think the later book would be relevant at this point, since she is the only Leutner I have found so far and she died in 1815. But if there is something tying back to this couple, I would love to get my hands on it.

@Michele - You can find the St. Hubert church books here: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/12702
They cover Baptisms 1771-1828 and Marriages, deaths 1771-1854


Re: Marienfeld Look-up for LEUTNER/LEITNER #Marienfeld

Michele
 

Charles, can I ask which FHL record set you used to provide the information to Erin? This may be of use to me as well.

Thanks, Michele

On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 1:39 AM Banat Researcher <banatresearcher@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi Erin,

I have the St Hubert, Charlevillie, Soltur Familienbuch on CD I've only found the entry for her marriage:

0950 GERHARDT Johann, aus Lothringen
I. LEUTNER Anna Maria, aus Lothringen in Marienfeld
*Marienfeld ..,
H St. Hubert, 11.01.1774 Tz: Peter Gross u. Johann Illi, Marienfeld

To help you a little further I've searched the original Microfilms from that town in the Online FHL Catalog and found a few more Details Indicating that Anna Maria was in fact born in Lothringen, and was residing in Marienfeld at the time of her wedding. In the following transcription I have translated the Latin terms used in the original church record so you can understand what is mentioned in the third row of the marriage list for the year of 1774, which I have attached for you to view:

1774
Mensis: 11. January (Month: January 11)
Sponsus: Joanis Gerhard (Groom/Husband: Johann Gerhardt)
Natus in Lotheringis (Born in Lorraine)
Heufeldensis - (Inhabitant of Heufeld)

Sponsa: Anna Maria Läutnerin - (Bride/Wife: Anna Maria Leutner)
Nata in Lotheringis - (Born in Lorraine)
Mariafeldensis - (Inhabitant of Marienfeld)

Testes: Petrus Gross Heufeldensis (- Witnesses: Peter Gross Inhabitant of Heufeld)
            et Joanis Illi Mariafeldensis (and Johann Illi Inhabitant of Marienfeld)
Assistens: Joachim Adam (Assisting: Joachim Adam) - The priest
D: 77 (AN: 77) - Initials Indicate Address Number

I hope these details are useful and may help you explore more about your family origins.

Regards,
Charles Smith


Re: Marienfeld Look-up for LEUTNER/LEITNER #Marienfeld

Fran Matkovich
 

Hi Erin,
I have 2 Heufeld FBs and I do have Leitner and Leutner.  Which ones are you looking for?  I have 1770-1852 and 1895-1944.

Fran Matkovich


On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:50 PM, Andrew Lengenfelder via groups.io <andyl1937@...> wrote:

HI Erin, I Have a PDF file of the Marienfeld Family Book and find no reference to Anna Maria Leutner/Leitner nor any reference to Johann Gerhardt.
 I also looked in the L'emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka also and did not find any reference to any of the people, either  . Maybe request a lookup of St. Hubert. I think that even if she lived in Marienfeld, she would not be in the book unless she did something that was recorded in the Catholic Church, like a birth, marriage or death. Sorry but no information.

AndyL


Re: Marienfeld Look-up for LEUTNER/LEITNER #Marienfeld

 

HI, looked again NO Leutner or Leitner in Marienfeld FB, sorry.
AndyL


Re: Marienfeld Look-up for LEUTNER/LEITNER #Marienfeld

Banat Researcher
 
Edited

Hi Erin,

I have the St Hubert, Charlevillie, Soltur Familienbuch on CD I've only found the entry for her marriage:

0950 GERHARDT Johann, aus Lothringen
I. LEUTNER Anna Maria, aus Lothringen in Marienfeld
*Marienfeld ..,
H St. Hubert, 11.01.1774 Tz: Peter Gross u. Johann Illi, Marienfeld

To help you a little further I've searched the original Microfilms from that town in the Online FHL Catalog and found a few more Details Indicating that Anna Maria was in fact born in Lothringen, and was residing in Marienfeld at the time of her wedding. In the following transcription I have translated the Latin terms used in the original church record so you can understand what is mentioned in the third row of the marriage list for the year of 1774, which I have attached for you to view:

1774
Mensis: 11. January (Month: January 11)
Sponsus: Joanis Gerhard (Groom/Husband: Johann Gerhardt)
Natus in Lotheringis (Born in Lorraine)
Heufeldensis - (Inhabitant of Heufeld)

Sponsa: Anna Maria Läutnerin - (Bride/Wife: Anna Maria Leutner)
Nata in Lotheringis - (Born in Lorraine)
Mariafeldensis - (Inhabitant of Marienfeld)

Testes: Petrus Gross Heufeldensis (- Witnesses: Peter Gross Inhabitant of Heufeld)
            et Joanis Illi Mariafeldensis (and Johann Illi Inhabitant of Marienfeld)
Assistens: Joachim Adam (Assisting: Joachim Adam) - The priest
D: 77 (AN: 77) - Initials Indicate Address Number

I hope these details are useful and may help you explore more about your family origins.

Regards,
Charles Smith


Re: Marienfeld Look-up for LEUTNER/LEITNER #Marienfeld

Erin Kampf
 

Hi Andy,

Thank you for checking. The family lived in Heufeld after their marriage and I have all the details from that FB. I don't think I have checked St. Hubert, which is a good idea. Can you confirm that there were NO Leutner/Leitner entries at all? 

Thanks again for your help!


Re: Marienfeld Look-up for LEUTNER/LEITNER #Marienfeld

 

HI Erin, I Have a PDF file of the Marienfeld Family Book and find no reference to Anna Maria Leutner/Leitner nor any reference to Johann Gerhardt.
 I also looked in the L'emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka also and did not find any reference to any of the people, either  . Maybe request a lookup of St. Hubert. I think that even if she lived in Marienfeld, she would not be in the book unless she did something that was recorded in the Catholic Church, like a birth, marriage or death. Sorry but no information.

AndyL


Re: help interpreting a document

Dave Dreyer
 

RICK HELI!

I am astounded.
Rick was one of a small handful of interested Banat researchers present at the initial founding of the Banat mailing list more than three decades ago.  
If memory serves, Rick participated, along with  Monika Ferrier and others in establishing the Banat Books website.  
After a hiatus of more than three decades it is reassuring to hear from Rick.

Dave Dreyer 

On Wednesday, September 29, 2021, 07:06:19 AM PDT, Karen Dalton Preston <karen@...> wrote:


Begin forwarded message:

From: Rick Heli <rick.heli@...>
Subject: help interpreting a document
Date: September 28, 2021 at 4:09:21 PM EDT

Hi,
A new document has come into my possession. The handwriting is not easy for me to decipher. Wonder if anyone could help with that part? Please see the attachment.

031_blatt_0540.jpeg
Rick




Re: St. Hubert Lookup

Karen Dalton Preston
 

Hi Donald,

It took some searching to locate my source for Anton’s marriage to Theresia WILLAR, but I finally found it in the Heimatbuch for St. Hubert, Charleville & Soltur, by Nikolaus Hess.

Here is a snapshot of the page with the info.  The data is organized by village and house # (the Schwarz family was at Soltur HNr 13), at the top of the page.

Here’s a translation, if you don’t speak German:

Schwarz Anton, [born] 26.07.1889 -shoemaker- died 22.09.1956 in Coburg, West Germany
wife:  Antonia, born Majer, 04.06.1894, - died 30.06.1894 Lünen
daughter:  Barbara, [born] 1921, [living at] 8635 Dörfles being Coburg, Sudetenstrasse 13 (the “8635" is the old format postal code for the town)
Schwarz Anton, [born] 1917, 4628 Lünen, Barbarastrasse 9
wife:  Theresia, born Willar
daughter:  Erna, [born] 1944, - died 1945 in the internment Camp at Charleville

 — it is interesting that the birthdates in the Heimatbuch are off by 1 day - the dates in the family book were taken from the baptism registers.  In some cases, the information in the Heimatbuch was provided by other family members.

Since we don’t have a marriage record for Anton & Theresia Willar, and we don’t know when or where they were married, we cannot know if she is the Theresia WILLAR in the St. Hubert family book.  

I hope that gives you an answer.

Best regards,
—Karen

 

On Sep 29, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Donald Johnson - NOAA Federal via groups.io <donald.johnson@...> wrote:

The Anton Schwartz I was referring to was his son, S315.2, Anton "Jr.", I guess, *28.06.1918  Who married Theresia Willer/Willar.


Re: help interpreting a document

Anna Lorenz
 

Now I have it!!!
the two ??  say:
"ohne Gewerbe": without a profession
 
Thanks Walter, that brought me to the solution !
 
Anni
 
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. September 2021 um 17:18 Uhr
Von: "Walter Nehlich" <walter@...>
An: everybody@banat.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [banat] help interpreting a document
 

 

?? : these two words I can't dedipher

 

könnte es nicht "ohne Gewerk" heißen?

 

VG Walter


Re: St. Hubert Lookup

Donald Johnson - NOAA Federal
 

The Anton Schwartz I was referring to was his son, S315.2, Anton "Jr.", I guess, *28.06.1918  Who married Theresia Willer/Willar.


Re: help interpreting a document

Walter Nehlich
 

... two different questions... (?) 

mobil gesendet.

Am 29.09.2021 5:42 nachm. schrieb "nachadel via groups.io" <daniel.marchand35@...>:

Ehe nicht bekannt!

Le mercredi 29 septembre 2021, 16:56:56 UTC+2, Walter Nehlich <walter@...> a écrit :


Ich lese:

 

Nr. 267

 

Mannheim am zweiten August tausend acht hundert achtzig

 

Vor dem unterzeichneten Standesbeamten erschienen heute zu Zweck der Eheschließung:

1.       der ledige Schreiner Martin Heli ---- der Persönlichkeit nach bekannt, katholischer Religion, geboren den zweiundzwanzigsten September des Jahres tausend acht hundert fünfzig und drei (?) zu Wald-Michelbach, wohnhaft zu Mannheim in E7N7*). Sohn des Schreiners Valentin Heli und dessen Ehefrau Maria Eva geborene Arnold beide wohnhaft zu Wald-Michelbach.

2.       die ledige Katharina Barbara Reinhard …. (unleserlich)…der Persönlichkeit nach bekannt, evangelischer Religion, geboren den dreizehnten Mai des Jahres tausend acht hundert fünfzig und zwei zu Adelsheim, wohnhaft  zu Mannheim. Tochter des Taglöhners Georg Andreas Reinhard und dessen Ehefrau Rosina geborene Münch, beide wohnhaft zu Adelsheim.

 

*) In Mannheim gibt es keine Straßennamen. Es wird nach Quadraten angegeben…

 

VG Walter (Nehlich)

 

 

Von: everybody@banat.groups.io [mailto:everybody@banat.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Karen Dalton Preston
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. September 2021 16:06
An: Banat.io List
Betreff: [banat] help interpreting a document

 

Begin forwarded message:

 

From: Rick Heli <rick.heli@...>

Subject: help interpreting a document

Date: September 28, 2021 at 4:09:21 PM EDT


--
hello,

I seek all the descendants of henri SCHANG ( born 29/12/1742 ebersing Moselle France died 13/8/1825 in BOGAROSCH) married CHISTMANN Helene ( born 13/07/1716 in Freybouse Moselle France died 20/12/1770 in GRABATZ) who emigrated from banat to settle in the USA, notably in Philadelphia.

THANK YOU
cordially




Re: help interpreting a document

nachadel
 

Ehe nicht bekannt!

Le mercredi 29 septembre 2021, 16:56:56 UTC+2, Walter Nehlich <walter@...> a écrit :


Ich lese:

 

Nr. 267

 

Mannheim am zweiten August tausend acht hundert achtzig

 

Vor dem unterzeichneten Standesbeamten erschienen heute zu Zweck der Eheschließung:

1.       der ledige Schreiner Martin Heli ---- der Persönlichkeit nach bekannt, katholischer Religion, geboren den zweiundzwanzigsten September des Jahres tausend acht hundert fünfzig und drei (?) zu Wald-Michelbach, wohnhaft zu Mannheim in E7N7*). Sohn des Schreiners Valentin Heli und dessen Ehefrau Maria Eva geborene Arnold beide wohnhaft zu Wald-Michelbach.

2.       die ledige Katharina Barbara Reinhard …. (unleserlich)…der Persönlichkeit nach bekannt, evangelischer Religion, geboren den dreizehnten Mai des Jahres tausend acht hundert fünfzig und zwei zu Adelsheim, wohnhaft  zu Mannheim. Tochter des Taglöhners Georg Andreas Reinhard und dessen Ehefrau Rosina geborene Münch, beide wohnhaft zu Adelsheim.

 

*) In Mannheim gibt es keine Straßennamen. Es wird nach Quadraten angegeben…

 

VG Walter (Nehlich)

 

 

Von: everybody@banat.groups.io [mailto:everybody@banat.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Karen Dalton Preston
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. September 2021 16:06
An: Banat.io List
Betreff: [banat] help interpreting a document

 

Begin forwarded message:

 

From: Rick Heli <rick.heli@...>

Subject: help interpreting a document

Date: September 28, 2021 at 4:09:21 PM EDT


--
hello,

I seek all the descendants of henri SCHANG ( born 29/12/1742 ebersing Moselle France died 13/8/1825 in BOGAROSCH) married CHISTMANN Helene ( born 13/07/1716 in Freybouse Moselle France died 20/12/1770 in GRABATZ) who emigrated from banat to settle in the USA, notably in Philadelphia.

THANK YOU
cordially



Re: help interpreting a document

Walter Nehlich
 


 

?? : these two words I can't dedipher

 

könnte es nicht "ohne Gewerk" heißen?


VG Walter


Re: help interpreting a document

Walter Nehlich
 

Ich lese:

 

Nr. 267

 

Mannheim am zweiten August tausend acht hundert achtzig

 

Vor dem unterzeichneten Standesbeamten erschienen heute zu Zweck der Eheschließung:

1.       der ledige Schreiner Martin Heli ---- der Persönlichkeit nach bekannt, katholischer Religion, geboren den zweiundzwanzigsten September des Jahres tausend acht hundert fünfzig und drei (?) zu Wald-Michelbach, wohnhaft zu Mannheim in E7N7*). Sohn des Schreiners Valentin Heli und dessen Ehefrau Maria Eva geborene Arnold beide wohnhaft zu Wald-Michelbach.

2.       die ledige Katharina Barbara Reinhard …. (unleserlich)…der Persönlichkeit nach bekannt, evangelischer Religion, geboren den dreizehnten Mai des Jahres tausend acht hundert fünfzig und zwei zu Adelsheim, wohnhaft  zu Mannheim. Tochter des Taglöhners Georg Andreas Reinhard und dessen Ehefrau Rosina geborene Münch, beide wohnhaft zu Adelsheim.

 

*) In Mannheim gibt es keine Straßennamen. Es wird nach Quadraten angegeben…

 

VG Walter (Nehlich)

 

 

Von: everybody@banat.groups.io [mailto:everybody@banat.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Karen Dalton Preston
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. September 2021 16:06
An: Banat.io List
Betreff: [banat] help interpreting a document

 

Begin forwarded message:

 

From: Rick Heli <rick.heli@...>

Subject: help interpreting a document

Date: September 28, 2021 at 4:09:21 PM EDT


Re: help interpreting a document

Anna Lorenz
 

Mannheim am zweiten August tausendachthundertachtzig  (02. 08.1880)

Vor dem unterzeichneten Standesbeamten erschienen heute zum Zweck der Eheschließung:

1.der ledige Schreiner Martin Heli, der Persönlichkeit nach bekannt, katholischer Religion,

geboren den zweiundzwanzigsten September des Jahres tausend acht hundert fünfzig  und drei (22.09. 1853)

zu Wald-Michelbach, wohnhaft zu Mannheim in E7N7

Sohn des Schreiners Valentin Heli und dessen Ehefrau Maria Eva geborene Arnold,

beide  wohnhaft zu Wald-Michelbach

 

2. die ledige Katharina Barbara Reinhard,  ?  ? , der Persönlichkeit nach bekannt, evangelischer Religion,

geboren den dreizehnten Mai des Jahres tausend acht hundert fünfzig und zwei  (13. 05. 1852)

zu Adelsheim, wohnhaft zu Mannheim,

Tochter des Taglöhners Georg Andreas Reinhard und dessen Ehefrau Rosina geborene Münch,

beide wohnhaft zu Adelsheim

 

?? : these two words I can't dedipher

 

Hope this helps

If you need a translation, let me know

Anni

 
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. September 2021 um 16:05 Uhr
Von: "Karen Dalton Preston" <karen@...>
An: "Banat.io List" <everybody@banat.groups.io>
Betreff: [banat] help interpreting a document
Begin forwarded message:
From: Rick Heli <rick.heli@...>
Subject: help interpreting a document
Date: September 28, 2021 at 4:09:21 PM EDT
 
Hi,
A new document has come into my possession. The handwriting is not easy for me to decipher. Wonder if anyone could help with that part? Please see the attachment.
 
031_blatt_0540.jpeg
Rick
 
 


help interpreting a document

Karen Dalton Preston
 

Begin forwarded message:

From: Rick Heli <rick.heli@...>
Subject: help interpreting a document
Date: September 28, 2021 at 4:09:21 PM EDT

Hi,
A new document has come into my possession. The handwriting is not easy for me to decipher. Wonder if anyone could help with that part? Please see the attachment.

031_blatt_0540.jpeg
Rick




Marienfeld Look-up for LEUTNER/LEITNER #Marienfeld

Erin Kampf
 

Hello all,

I was hoping someone may have a FB for Marienfeld and could check for LEUTNER or LEITNER families for me.

I am looking for my 5th great grandmother, Anna Maria LEUTNER/LEITNER born about 1750 in Lothringen (Lorraine) or possibly Marienfeld and who was reported to be living in Marienfeld at the time of her marriage in January 1774 in St Hubert to Johann GERHARD(T). I have no further information about her, so cannot provide any parent or sibling names. 

Thank you for any help!
Erin Kampf
Vancouver, Canada


Re: Dave Dreyer's Banaters in the VII Grenz Regiment Records - Final Draft September 2021 #Databases

Marlene Perrucci
 

Just a quick note... Tis is an excellent read! I would, however, not break the paragraph on page 8 and then continue on page 47. Perhaps this was just a formatting error?

Thanks so much for this awesome work!

Marlene

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