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Schmidt Clan of Ehringshausen in Hesse

Rosina T. Schmidt
 

Hello Family Researchers,

You might be interested into the research on the Schmidt Clan of Ehringshausen in Hesse, who arrived in the Swabian Turkey back in 1738. Eventually one branch married with a Weiss from Temeschburg, Banat.


Wishing you all good health and may all your holidays be festive, 


Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net



Re: Horvat Name

Rosina T. Schmidt
 

Horvat = Hrvat = Croatian


Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 12112021AD--, at 2:20 18000PM, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:

Hi Cathy,

Thanks for looking.  Horvath is actually the second most common Hungarian surname, so there were lots of Horvaths all over Banat but they likely were not related.  The Martin Horvath from Szücs/Sitsch in Veszprem county was born in 1797 and was orphaned by 1805.  His stepfather Simon Babics died in 1828, so he may have decided to move to Banat at that time - he first appears in Gottlob records in 1831.  There does not appear to have any Horvath relatives that he moved with.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

Mark Zajac
 

Hi Cathy,

Thanks for looking.  Horvath is actually the second most common Hungarian surname, so there were lots of Horvaths all over Banat but they likely were not related.  The Martin Horvath from Szücs/Sitsch in Veszprem county was born in 1797 and was orphaned by 1805.  His stepfather Simon Babics died in 1828, so he may have decided to move to Banat at that time - he first appears in Gottlob records in 1831.  There does not appear to have any Horvath relatives that he moved with.

Thanks,
Mark


Address for entering recipes

Cathy Reece
 

Dear Dave Preston,

How do I put recipes on Banat list?

I lost the information.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards,
Cathy Reece


Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

Cathy Reece
 

Mark,
I have FB Ostern.

There are Horvath's in there but no Martin.. 6 families to be exact.

One, a Nikolaus Horvath ,son of Joseph Horvath and Josefa Lambrecht 
Nikolaus was born 23.07.1823 Grabatz 
spelling variation Horvith, Horwith source :FB Grabatz. 

Nikolas Horvath married in Grabatz 17.01.1843 to Anna Hellberg

Their child Maria Anna was born in Ostern 06.06.1843

Could Grabatz be a connection to your ancestor?

Cathy

This Nikolaus and your Martin were alive in Banat at same time.

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 4:19 PM Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:
Hi all - 
My 5x great grandfather Martin Horvath died in Gottlob in 1869.  His death record indicates that he was born around 1800 in Veszprem county in Hungary, but I'm having trouble deciphering the name of the village (see record attached).  Does anyone have any ideas what this village is?  I'm assuming it's a German approximation of the actual village name.  I've tried to look in records for some villages in Veszprem county, but it difficult to narrow down since Horvath is one of the most common Hungarian names.  I'm not sure when Martin Horvath came to Banat, but it was before his marriage in Gottlob in 1831.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: good to see your name again

W David Samuelsen
 

Big YES!

David Samuelsen

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 6:51 PM Cathy Reece <cre29ece@...> wrote:
David,
The online Catholic Church records for Wiltz that you are referring to is at Family Search?

Thanks.

Regards,

Cathy


On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:47 PM W David Samuelsen <sammyslc@...> wrote:
Catholic records available online for Wiltz going back to the beginning - 1666, to 1804. After 1804, it's all civil


On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 7:07 AM Cathy Reece <cre29ece@...> wrote:
Tim,

Rob Deltgen has a family book for Wiltz which one can purchase. It includes only marriages and death— Catholic Church won’t release birth records for Wiltz as I understand.  Deltgen’s website had my entire family back to 1600’s on it, including births.

It’s worth a try.

Genealogy portal for Luxembourg is at:


I have not paid membership fee— so I have not searched it.

I’m going to look at family search for Luxemburg as I have many different ancestors from Luxemburg.

Also watch Rob Deltgen’s conferences. He has experts in fields of Genealogy from other parts of Western Europe speak at his conferences.

I hope this helps.

Perhaps Family Search has birth records for Wiltz. 

Cathy

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 9:54 AM Cathy Reece via groups.io <cre29ece=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Tim,
Www.Deltgen.com has some Luxembourg information

I have Wiltz ancestors that are on his site.
He has a family history center in Luxembourg.
You could try supplying him with ancestor that you know is from Wiltz — if that person is on his website he will send link to let you in.

Sign up for his emails— they are in French or German.

Before COVID he had a tourist agency.
He also had experts  give presentations on various topics of reasearch in Luxemburg.

Also there is a video on the internet of a WWII US soldier “playing Santa” for the children in Wiltz during WWII.  No audio, but the video is great!

Before Covid one could go to his family history center and search via his computer terminal. Not sure what is open there now.

You can access Luxemburg records by
Paying a “fee”” for access.
You need to be able to navigate languages other than English— I do not think he speaks English, however they were going to bring a tour group to USA Chicago to Wisconsin tour— tour was cancelled. I did communicate via email with someone associated with his company and she was fluent in English.

It’s been years ago and I no longer have that info.

They also took a tour group to Dunkirk for anniversary of invasion.
Americans could join tour group then.

Regards,
Cathy

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 12:25 AM Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@...> wrote:
Tim, 

I would anticipate that the Netherlands church books would all be available from the FHL in Salt Lake.  Go to the family search website, select the catalogue tab and search using the name of the locality.  That should lead you to the records you need.

Dave Dreyer   

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 03:39:52 AM PST, tatabar@... <tatabar@...> wrote:


Hello Dave
Tim Tabar here from CLE, Ohio
Grandson of Zerne ancestors.

Somehow I I stopped receiving rootsweb and Banat info a few years back, and didn't know
why, but I was also busy with an ailing parent and car crash issues.

Has anyone found a way to gather information from the former Austrian Netherlands? Information
puts my Tabar ancestor there, born in Oberwampach/Wiltz, which in northern Luxemburg today.

Johannes Nikolaus Tabar was born in 12 Nov 1769..........and that's as far back as I can go.
He (or his father, who I have not info on) is the one who migrated to Heufeld, and then to Deutsch Zerne.

Tim Tabar


Re: good to see your name again

Cathy Reece
 

David,
The online Catholic Church records for Wiltz that you are referring to is at Family Search?

Thanks.

Regards,

Cathy


On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:47 PM W David Samuelsen <sammyslc@...> wrote:
Catholic records available online for Wiltz going back to the beginning - 1666, to 1804. After 1804, it's all civil


On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 7:07 AM Cathy Reece <cre29ece@...> wrote:
Tim,

Rob Deltgen has a family book for Wiltz which one can purchase. It includes only marriages and death— Catholic Church won’t release birth records for Wiltz as I understand.  Deltgen’s website had my entire family back to 1600’s on it, including births.

It’s worth a try.

Genealogy portal for Luxembourg is at:


I have not paid membership fee— so I have not searched it.

I’m going to look at family search for Luxemburg as I have many different ancestors from Luxemburg.

Also watch Rob Deltgen’s conferences. He has experts in fields of Genealogy from other parts of Western Europe speak at his conferences.

I hope this helps.

Perhaps Family Search has birth records for Wiltz. 

Cathy

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 9:54 AM Cathy Reece via groups.io <cre29ece=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Tim,
Www.Deltgen.com has some Luxembourg information

I have Wiltz ancestors that are on his site.
He has a family history center in Luxembourg.
You could try supplying him with ancestor that you know is from Wiltz — if that person is on his website he will send link to let you in.

Sign up for his emails— they are in French or German.

Before COVID he had a tourist agency.
He also had experts  give presentations on various topics of reasearch in Luxemburg.

Also there is a video on the internet of a WWII US soldier “playing Santa” for the children in Wiltz during WWII.  No audio, but the video is great!

Before Covid one could go to his family history center and search via his computer terminal. Not sure what is open there now.

You can access Luxemburg records by
Paying a “fee”” for access.
You need to be able to navigate languages other than English— I do not think he speaks English, however they were going to bring a tour group to USA Chicago to Wisconsin tour— tour was cancelled. I did communicate via email with someone associated with his company and she was fluent in English.

It’s been years ago and I no longer have that info.

They also took a tour group to Dunkirk for anniversary of invasion.
Americans could join tour group then.

Regards,
Cathy

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 12:25 AM Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@...> wrote:
Tim, 

I would anticipate that the Netherlands church books would all be available from the FHL in Salt Lake.  Go to the family search website, select the catalogue tab and search using the name of the locality.  That should lead you to the records you need.

Dave Dreyer   

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 03:39:52 AM PST, tatabar@... <tatabar@...> wrote:


Hello Dave
Tim Tabar here from CLE, Ohio
Grandson of Zerne ancestors.

Somehow I I stopped receiving rootsweb and Banat info a few years back, and didn't know
why, but I was also busy with an ailing parent and car crash issues.

Has anyone found a way to gather information from the former Austrian Netherlands? Information
puts my Tabar ancestor there, born in Oberwampach/Wiltz, which in northern Luxemburg today.

Johannes Nikolaus Tabar was born in 12 Nov 1769..........and that's as far back as I can go.
He (or his father, who I have not info on) is the one who migrated to Heufeld, and then to Deutsch Zerne.

Tim Tabar


Re: good to see your name again

W David Samuelsen
 

Catholic records available online for Wiltz going back to the beginning - 1666, to 1804. After 1804, it's all civil


On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 7:07 AM Cathy Reece <cre29ece@...> wrote:
Tim,

Rob Deltgen has a family book for Wiltz which one can purchase. It includes only marriages and death— Catholic Church won’t release birth records for Wiltz as I understand.  Deltgen’s website had my entire family back to 1600’s on it, including births.

It’s worth a try.

Genealogy portal for Luxembourg is at:


I have not paid membership fee— so I have not searched it.

I’m going to look at family search for Luxemburg as I have many different ancestors from Luxemburg.

Also watch Rob Deltgen’s conferences. He has experts in fields of Genealogy from other parts of Western Europe speak at his conferences.

I hope this helps.

Perhaps Family Search has birth records for Wiltz. 

Cathy

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 9:54 AM Cathy Reece via groups.io <cre29ece=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Tim,
Www.Deltgen.com has some Luxembourg information

I have Wiltz ancestors that are on his site.
He has a family history center in Luxembourg.
You could try supplying him with ancestor that you know is from Wiltz — if that person is on his website he will send link to let you in.

Sign up for his emails— they are in French or German.

Before COVID he had a tourist agency.
He also had experts  give presentations on various topics of reasearch in Luxemburg.

Also there is a video on the internet of a WWII US soldier “playing Santa” for the children in Wiltz during WWII.  No audio, but the video is great!

Before Covid one could go to his family history center and search via his computer terminal. Not sure what is open there now.

You can access Luxemburg records by
Paying a “fee”” for access.
You need to be able to navigate languages other than English— I do not think he speaks English, however they were going to bring a tour group to USA Chicago to Wisconsin tour— tour was cancelled. I did communicate via email with someone associated with his company and she was fluent in English.

It’s been years ago and I no longer have that info.

They also took a tour group to Dunkirk for anniversary of invasion.
Americans could join tour group then.

Regards,
Cathy

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 12:25 AM Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@...> wrote:
Tim, 

I would anticipate that the Netherlands church books would all be available from the FHL in Salt Lake.  Go to the family search website, select the catalogue tab and search using the name of the locality.  That should lead you to the records you need.

Dave Dreyer   

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 03:39:52 AM PST, tatabar@... <tatabar@...> wrote:


Hello Dave
Tim Tabar here from CLE, Ohio
Grandson of Zerne ancestors.

Somehow I I stopped receiving rootsweb and Banat info a few years back, and didn't know
why, but I was also busy with an ailing parent and car crash issues.

Has anyone found a way to gather information from the former Austrian Netherlands? Information
puts my Tabar ancestor there, born in Oberwampach/Wiltz, which in northern Luxemburg today.

Johannes Nikolaus Tabar was born in 12 Nov 1769..........and that's as far back as I can go.
He (or his father, who I have not info on) is the one who migrated to Heufeld, and then to Deutsch Zerne.

Tim Tabar


Re: good to see your name again

tatabar
 

Thanks you Cathy
I sent an email to Rob.
Tim

On Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 09:07:37 AM EST, Cathy Reece <cre29ece@...> wrote:


Tim,

Rob Deltgen has a family book for Wiltz which one can purchase. It includes only marriages and death— Catholic Church won’t release birth records for Wiltz as I understand.  Deltgen’s website had my entire family back to 1600’s on it, including births.

It’s worth a try.

Genealogy portal for Luxembourg is at:


I have not paid membership fee— so I have not searched it.

I’m going to look at family search for Luxemburg as I have many different ancestors from Luxemburg.

Also watch Rob Deltgen’s conferences. He has experts in fields of Genealogy from other parts of Western Europe speak at his conferences.

I hope this helps.

Perhaps Family Search has birth records for Wiltz. 

Cathy

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 9:54 AM Cathy Reece via groups.io <cre29ece=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Tim,
Www.Deltgen.com has some Luxembourg information

I have Wiltz ancestors that are on his site.
He has a family history center in Luxembourg.
You could try supplying him with ancestor that you know is from Wiltz — if that person is on his website he will send link to let you in.

Sign up for his emails— they are in French or German.

Before COVID he had a tourist agency.
He also had experts  give presentations on various topics of reasearch in Luxemburg.

Also there is a video on the internet of a WWII US soldier “playing Santa” for the children in Wiltz during WWII.  No audio, but the video is great!

Before Covid one could go to his family history center and search via his computer terminal. Not sure what is open there now.

You can access Luxemburg records by
Paying a “fee”” for access.
You need to be able to navigate languages other than English— I do not think he speaks English, however they were going to bring a tour group to USA Chicago to Wisconsin tour— tour was cancelled. I did communicate via email with someone associated with his company and she was fluent in English.

It’s been years ago and I no longer have that info.

They also took a tour group to Dunkirk for anniversary of invasion.
Americans could join tour group then.

Regards,
Cathy

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 12:25 AM Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@...> wrote:
Tim, 

I would anticipate that the Netherlands church books would all be available from the FHL in Salt Lake.  Go to the family search website, select the catalogue tab and search using the name of the locality.  That should lead you to the records you need.

Dave Dreyer   

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 03:39:52 AM PST, tatabar@... <tatabar@...> wrote:


Hello Dave
Tim Tabar here from CLE, Ohio
Grandson of Zerne ancestors.

Somehow I I stopped receiving rootsweb and Banat info a few years back, and didn't know
why, but I was also busy with an ailing parent and car crash issues.

Has anyone found a way to gather information from the former Austrian Netherlands? Information
puts my Tabar ancestor there, born in Oberwampach/Wiltz, which in northern Luxemburg today.

Johannes Nikolaus Tabar was born in 12 Nov 1769..........and that's as far back as I can go.
He (or his father, who I have not info on) is the one who migrated to Heufeld, and then to Deutsch Zerne.

Tim Tabar


Re: good to see your name again

Cathy Reece
 

Tim,

Rob Deltgen has a family book for Wiltz which one can purchase. It includes only marriages and death— Catholic Church won’t release birth records for Wiltz as I understand.  Deltgen’s website had my entire family back to 1600’s on it, including births.

It’s worth a try.

Genealogy portal for Luxembourg is at:


I have not paid membership fee— so I have not searched it.

I’m going to look at family search for Luxemburg as I have many different ancestors from Luxemburg.

Also watch Rob Deltgen’s conferences. He has experts in fields of Genealogy from other parts of Western Europe speak at his conferences.

I hope this helps.

Perhaps Family Search has birth records for Wiltz. 

Cathy

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 9:54 AM Cathy Reece via groups.io <cre29ece=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Tim,
Www.Deltgen.com has some Luxembourg information

I have Wiltz ancestors that are on his site.
He has a family history center in Luxembourg.
You could try supplying him with ancestor that you know is from Wiltz — if that person is on his website he will send link to let you in.

Sign up for his emails— they are in French or German.

Before COVID he had a tourist agency.
He also had experts  give presentations on various topics of reasearch in Luxemburg.

Also there is a video on the internet of a WWII US soldier “playing Santa” for the children in Wiltz during WWII.  No audio, but the video is great!

Before Covid one could go to his family history center and search via his computer terminal. Not sure what is open there now.

You can access Luxemburg records by
Paying a “fee”” for access.
You need to be able to navigate languages other than English— I do not think he speaks English, however they were going to bring a tour group to USA Chicago to Wisconsin tour— tour was cancelled. I did communicate via email with someone associated with his company and she was fluent in English.

It’s been years ago and I no longer have that info.

They also took a tour group to Dunkirk for anniversary of invasion.
Americans could join tour group then.

Regards,
Cathy

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 12:25 AM Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@...> wrote:
Tim, 

I would anticipate that the Netherlands church books would all be available from the FHL in Salt Lake.  Go to the family search website, select the catalogue tab and search using the name of the locality.  That should lead you to the records you need.

Dave Dreyer   

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 03:39:52 AM PST, tatabar@... <tatabar@...> wrote:


Hello Dave
Tim Tabar here from CLE, Ohio
Grandson of Zerne ancestors.

Somehow I I stopped receiving rootsweb and Banat info a few years back, and didn't know
why, but I was also busy with an ailing parent and car crash issues.

Has anyone found a way to gather information from the former Austrian Netherlands? Information
puts my Tabar ancestor there, born in Oberwampach/Wiltz, which in northern Luxemburg today.

Johannes Nikolaus Tabar was born in 12 Nov 1769..........and that's as far back as I can go.
He (or his father, who I have not info on) is the one who migrated to Heufeld, and then to Deutsch Zerne.

Tim Tabar


Re: good to see your name again

Cathy Reece
 

Tim,
Www.Deltgen.com has some Luxembourg information

I have Wiltz ancestors that are on his site.
He has a family history center in Luxembourg.
You could try supplying him with ancestor that you know is from Wiltz — if that person is on his website he will send link to let you in.

Sign up for his emails— they are in French or German.

Before COVID he had a tourist agency.
He also had experts  give presentations on various topics of reasearch in Luxemburg.

Also there is a video on the internet of a WWII US soldier “playing Santa” for the children in Wiltz during WWII.  No audio, but the video is great!

Before Covid one could go to his family history center and search via his computer terminal. Not sure what is open there now.

You can access Luxemburg records by
Paying a “fee”” for access.
You need to be able to navigate languages other than English— I do not think he speaks English, however they were going to bring a tour group to USA Chicago to Wisconsin tour— tour was cancelled. I did communicate via email with someone associated with his company and she was fluent in English.

It’s been years ago and I no longer have that info.

They also took a tour group to Dunkirk for anniversary of invasion.
Americans could join tour group then.

Regards,
Cathy

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 12:25 AM Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@...> wrote:
Tim, 

I would anticipate that the Netherlands church books would all be available from the FHL in Salt Lake.  Go to the family search website, select the catalogue tab and search using the name of the locality.  That should lead you to the records you need.

Dave Dreyer   

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 03:39:52 AM PST, tatabar@... <tatabar@...> wrote:


Hello Dave
Tim Tabar here from CLE, Ohio
Grandson of Zerne ancestors.

Somehow I I stopped receiving rootsweb and Banat info a few years back, and didn't know
why, but I was also busy with an ailing parent and car crash issues.

Has anyone found a way to gather information from the former Austrian Netherlands? Information
puts my Tabar ancestor there, born in Oberwampach/Wiltz, which in northern Luxemburg today.

Johannes Nikolaus Tabar was born in 12 Nov 1769..........and that's as far back as I can go.
He (or his father, who I have not info on) is the one who migrated to Heufeld, and then to Deutsch Zerne.

Tim Tabar


Re: good to see your name again

W David Samuelsen
 

don't bother looking for something like familienbuchs for Netherlands. and as for Oberwampach and Wiltz  - it's same thing.

do this first for familysearch  and has links to outside of familysearch


David Samuelsen



On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 10:25 PM Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@...> wrote:
Tim, 

I would anticipate that the Netherlands church books would all be available from the FHL in Salt Lake.  Go to the family search website, select the catalogue tab and search using the name of the locality.  That should lead you to the records you need.

Dave Dreyer   

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 03:39:52 AM PST, tatabar@... <tatabar@...> wrote:


Hello Dave
Tim Tabar here from CLE, Ohio
Grandson of Zerne ancestors.

Somehow I I stopped receiving rootsweb and Banat info a few years back, and didn't know
why, but I was also busy with an ailing parent and car crash issues.

Has anyone found a way to gather information from the former Austrian Netherlands? Information
puts my Tabar ancestor there, born in Oberwampach/Wiltz, which in northern Luxemburg today.

Johannes Nikolaus Tabar was born in 12 Nov 1769..........and that's as far back as I can go.
He (or his father, who I have not info on) is the one who migrated to Heufeld, and then to Deutsch Zerne.

Tim Tabar


Re: good to see your name again

Dave Dreyer
 

Tim, 

I would anticipate that the Netherlands church books would all be available from the FHL in Salt Lake.  Go to the family search website, select the catalogue tab and search using the name of the locality.  That should lead you to the records you need.

Dave Dreyer   

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 03:39:52 AM PST, tatabar@... <tatabar@...> wrote:


Hello Dave
Tim Tabar here from CLE, Ohio
Grandson of Zerne ancestors.

Somehow I I stopped receiving rootsweb and Banat info a few years back, and didn't know
why, but I was also busy with an ailing parent and car crash issues.

Has anyone found a way to gather information from the former Austrian Netherlands? Information
puts my Tabar ancestor there, born in Oberwampach/Wiltz, which in northern Luxemburg today.

Johannes Nikolaus Tabar was born in 12 Nov 1769..........and that's as far back as I can go.
He (or his father, who I have not info on) is the one who migrated to Heufeld, and then to Deutsch Zerne.

Tim Tabar


Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

Mark Zajac
 

Thanks, Guenter!  I think you must be right.  This had been one of my theories but I was unsure since I had thought the village was "Sichs-Cottu".  Now I see that "cottu" is just an abbreviation for comitatus and not part of the village, so it all makes more sense now.

Vielen Dank aus Chicago!
Mark


Re: Order books

Marie Elizabeth
 

Hello, On the subject of North Dakota settlers, I’m glad that Dave Dreyer mentioned the Institute for Regional Studies. I would just like to add that there is a website called digitalhorizonsonline.org which features a huge collection of old photos from North Dakota towns and farms.  You can search for your ancestors town and find pictures of Main Street, old churches, schools, storefronts, farmers, etc.  This is a wonderful resource sponsored by the institute.  Marie Bibus - St Paul, Minnesota


On Dec 1, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@...> wrote:


Cintheya,

 What an incredible family.  It contains all the surnames associated with the core early settlement of the North Dakota Banat colony.  These surnames occur over and over in the early documents of the ND settlement.
I encourage you to go the Banatbooks website.  On the left margin you will find a tab labeled Josesdorf-North Dakota which contains further data on the guys in your family tree.
I would encourage you to also subscribe to the Banat mailing list, which I think you can do from the Banat Books website.  There you will find others researching your families.   John Kronberger, a long time Banat list subscriber who lives in Colorado, comes to mind.   Perhaps David Preston, who manages the Banat list will, with your permission, automatically subscribe you to the list. 
The Banat Books website contains a list of Banat family books,  You will have to go through this list to select those from localities which apply to your problem. 
You may be interested in a volume by Dreyer and Hatter entitled "From the Banat to North Dakota", available from the North Dakota Institute for Regional Studies, Fargo, 2006.  This volume describes the settlement process which led to the establishment of Banaters in ND.

Dave Dreyer   

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021, 09:38:42 AM PST, Cintheya <cintheyaevans@...> wrote:


Thanks for getting back to me. This is what I have found on my family tree so far. So interesting to discover a part of me I never knew about. 

My ancestry said German but everything said Hungary, so that makes a lot more sense. I don’t have much family so this really brings me peace to discover all of this. 

I am interested in any books you think would be apart of my history. 

Thank you for all your help! 

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On Nov 29, 2021, at 9:19 PM, David Dreyer <ddreyer@...> wrote:


Cintheya,

What books are you interested in?  What are their titles?
What are the names of the families that you are researching?
Actually your guys were German, not Hungarian.  They just lived in Hungary.

Dave Dreyer

On Sunday, November 28, 2021, 06:22:03 PM PST, Cintheya <cintheyaevans@...> wrote:


Hi I am interested in ordering books from you. I recently have researched my family & am leaning so much about them. I was adopted and went to find my biological mom, sadly she has passed. Upon this research I discovered I was Hungarian, and most my family was from Hungary then settled in North Dakota.

So far my research shows all 8 of my Great, Great grandparents & some of their parents came from  Hungary to North Dakota.  I believe they were part of the Banat original families. I am still figuring it all out & would love to purchase these books to learn more.

How do I do this?

Thanks, Cintheya Evans


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Re: Order books

Dave Dreyer
 

Cintheya,

 What an incredible family.  It contains all the surnames associated with the core early settlement of the North Dakota Banat colony.  These surnames occur over and over in the early documents of the ND settlement.
I encourage you to go the Banatbooks website.  On the left margin you will find a tab labeled Josesdorf-North Dakota which contains further data on the guys in your family tree.
I would encourage you to also subscribe to the Banat mailing list, which I think you can do from the Banat Books website.  There you will find others researching your families.   John Kronberger, a long time Banat list subscriber who lives in Colorado, comes to mind.   Perhaps David Preston, who manages the Banat list will, with your permission, automatically subscribe you to the list. 
The Banat Books website contains a list of Banat family books,  You will have to go through this list to select those from localities which apply to your problem. 
You may be interested in a volume by Dreyer and Hatter entitled "From the Banat to North Dakota", available from the North Dakota Institute for Regional Studies, Fargo, 2006.  This volume describes the settlement process which led to the establishment of Banaters in ND.

Dave Dreyer   

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021, 09:38:42 AM PST, Cintheya <cintheyaevans@...> wrote:


Thanks for getting back to me. This is what I have found on my family tree so far. So interesting to discover a part of me I never knew about. 

My ancestry said German but everything said Hungary, so that makes a lot more sense. I don’t have much family so this really brings me peace to discover all of this. 

I am interested in any books you think would be apart of my history. 

Thank you for all your help! 




On Nov 29, 2021, at 9:19 PM, David Dreyer <ddreyer@...> wrote:


Cintheya,

What books are you interested in?  What are their titles?
What are the names of the families that you are researching?
Actually your guys were German, not Hungarian.  They just lived in Hungary.

Dave Dreyer

On Sunday, November 28, 2021, 06:22:03 PM PST, Cintheya <cintheyaevans@...> wrote:


Hi I am interested in ordering books from you. I recently have researched my family & am leaning so much about them. I was adopted and went to find my biological mom, sadly she has passed. Upon this research I discovered I was Hungarian, and most my family was from Hungary then settled in North Dakota.

So far my research shows all 8 of my Great, Great grandparents & some of their parents came from  Hungary to North Dakota.  I believe they were part of the Banat original families. I am still figuring it all out & would love to purchase these books to learn more.

How do I do this?

Thanks, Cintheya Evans



Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

AKdFF
 

Žiteč is in Czech Republic, no shared border with Hungary. Too far from Veszprém county.

In my opinion Sichs is Bakonyszücs / Sitsch, a small village settled by Germans. Travel from Zirc/Sirtz and Pápa/Papa via Bakonykoppány/Koppan.
https://schwaben.hu/ortschaften/sitsch

Church books: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/295710

Martin Horvath was born there on April 29th 1797
Parents: Simon Horvath and Catharina Lapingerin
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-11L4-H?i=23&cc=1743180

Guenter (Junkers)

Am 01.12.2021 um 22:57 schrieb Craig Gauger:

I was checking with the same thought, as my relatives lived in Arad and that city changed which country it was in depending on when.   Craig
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I tried searching for “Sichs” on FamilySearch.  It came up in the library catalog as "Austria, Böhmen, Wittingau, *Sichs*.  And when I clicked on the place name, I got the name in the current local language "Czech Republic, Jindřichův Hradec, Chlum u Třeboně, *Žiteč*.
Veszprem county is close to the current border with the Czech Rep., so it appears that when Austria-Hungary was divided after WWI, the town became part of Czechoslovakia, and then more recently, part of the Czech Rep.  The name today would be Žiteč, in Bohemia.
Hope this helps,
—Karen

On Dec 1, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@... <mailto:mazajac97@...>> wrote:

Hi all -
My 5x great grandfather Martin Horvath died in Gottlob in 1869.  His death record indicates that he was born around 1800 in Veszprem county in Hungary, but I'm having trouble deciphering the name of the village (see record attached).  Does anyone have any ideas what this village is?  I'm assuming it's a German approximation of the actual village name.  I've tried to look in records for some villages in Veszprem county, but it difficult to narrow down since Horvath is one of the most common Hungarian names.  I'm not sure when Martin Horvath came to Banat, but it was before his marriage in Gottlob in 1831.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

Karen Dalton Preston
 

I based my answer on (1) what the LDS Family History Library gives for a search on the place name “Sichs”, which is in Bohemia, Czech Rep. today (there was only 1 search result); and (2) the "Genealogical Gazetteer of the Kingdom of Hungary”, which gives the following maps  to show the counties in the Kingdom of Hungary, and below it, the border as it was drawn in 1920, after WWI.

The 1920 map doesn’t give a lot of detail, but since the border is drawn south of Komárom, I am inferring where the border was in relation to the counties.  It is also possible that the location given in the Church record of 1869 is not precisely where the country lines are now, or were in 1920.  We all know the borders did change over time.

If you can give us more info on where you think the place  “Sichs” is, that would be very helpful.  I would like to learn more, if this is wrong.

Best regards,
—Karen





On Dec 1, 2021, at 5:16 PM, Karoly Hajdu <karoly.hajdu@...> wrote:

I am pretty sure NOT.
Veszprém county is far from the border and wasn't divided after WWI.
Károly Hajdu
From Hungary


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I tried searching for “Sichs” on FamilySearch.  It came up in the library catalog as "Austria, Böhmen, Wittingau, Sichs.  And when I clicked on the place name, I got the name in the current local language "Czech Republic, Jindřichův Hradec, Chlum u Třeboně, Žiteč.

Veszprem county is close to the current border with the Czech Rep., so it appears that when Austria-Hungary was divided after WWI, the town became part of Czechoslovakia, and then more recently, part of the Czech Rep.  The name today would be Žiteč, in Bohemia.

Hope this helps,
—Karen

On Dec 1, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:

Hi all - 
My 5x great grandfather Martin Horvath died in Gottlob in 1869.  His death record indicates that he was born around 1800 in Veszprem county in Hungary, but I'm having trouble deciphering the name of the village (see record attached).  Does anyone have any ideas what this village is?  I'm assuming it's a German approximation of the actual village name.  I've tried to look in records for some villages in Veszprem county, but it difficult to narrow down since Horvath is one of the most common Hungarian names.  I'm not sure when Martin Horvath came to Banat, but it was before his marriage in Gottlob in 1831.

Thanks,
Mark




Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

Karoly Hajdu
 

I am pretty sure NOT.
Veszprém county is far from the border and wasn't divided after WWI.
Károly Hajdu
From Hungary


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I tried searching for “Sichs” on FamilySearch.  It came up in the library catalog as "Austria, Böhmen, Wittingau, Sichs.  And when I clicked on the place name, I got the name in the current local language "Czech Republic, Jindřichův Hradec, Chlum u Třeboně, Žiteč.

Veszprem county is close to the current border with the Czech Rep., so it appears that when Austria-Hungary was divided after WWI, the town became part of Czechoslovakia, and then more recently, part of the Czech Rep.  The name today would be Žiteč, in Bohemia.

Hope this helps,
—Karen

On Dec 1, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:

Hi all - 
My 5x great grandfather Martin Horvath died in Gottlob in 1869.  His death record indicates that he was born around 1800 in Veszprem county in Hungary, but I'm having trouble deciphering the name of the village (see record attached).  Does anyone have any ideas what this village is?  I'm assuming it's a German approximation of the actual village name.  I've tried to look in records for some villages in Veszprem county, but it difficult to narrow down since Horvath is one of the most common Hungarian names.  I'm not sure when Martin Horvath came to Banat, but it was before his marriage in Gottlob in 1831.

Thanks,
Mark



Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

Craig Gauger
 

I was checking with the same thought, as my relatives lived in Arad and that city changed which country it was in depending on when.   Craig 


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Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 4:53 PM
To: Banat.io List <everybody@banat.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [banat] Deciphering Hungarian Village Name
 
I tried searching for “Sichs” on FamilySearch.  It came up in the library catalog as "Austria, Böhmen, Wittingau, Sichs.  And when I clicked on the place name, I got the name in the current local language "Czech Republic, Jindřichův Hradec, Chlum u Třeboně, Žiteč.

Veszprem county is close to the current border with the Czech Rep., so it appears that when Austria-Hungary was divided after WWI, the town became part of Czechoslovakia, and then more recently, part of the Czech Rep.  The name today would be Žiteč, in Bohemia.

Hope this helps,
—Karen

On Dec 1, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:

Hi all - 
My 5x great grandfather Martin Horvath died in Gottlob in 1869.  His death record indicates that he was born around 1800 in Veszprem county in Hungary, but I'm having trouble deciphering the name of the village (see record attached).  Does anyone have any ideas what this village is?  I'm assuming it's a German approximation of the actual village name.  I've tried to look in records for some villages in Veszprem county, but it difficult to narrow down since Horvath is one of the most common Hungarian names.  I'm not sure when Martin Horvath came to Banat, but it was before his marriage in Gottlob in 1831.

Thanks,
Mark

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