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pumpkin strudel

Rosina T. Schmidt
 

Cathy,

I never made it with pumpkin, but my grandmother did. I found this recipe for you at a German site:

1 kg (2 lbs) grated fresh pumpkin
2 onion thinly sliced
2 egg yolks
2 tbsp oil
2 tbsp finely chopped pumpkin seeds
2 tbsp whole pumpkin seeds 
Salt, pepper (ground)
2 tbsp vinegar 
1 egg sqireld to spread on the roll.

Similar like you make the apple strudel.

Enjoy!

Rosina



Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 12122021AD--, at 5:16 47000PM, Cathy Reece <cre29ece@...> wrote:

Rosina,
Do you have the recipe for the filling for pumpkin strudel?

Regards,
Cathy Reece
My Mom used to make it with grated fresh pumpkin, but I didn’t get the recipe from her.



Re: Address for entering recipes

Cathy Reece
 

Rosina,
Do you have the recipe for the filling for pumpkin strudel?

Regards,
Cathy Reece
My Mom used to make it with grated fresh pumpkin, but I didn’t get the recipe from her.

On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 11:29 AM Rosina T. Schmidt <rosinatschmidt@...> wrote:
David,

How fortunate we are to have you! Thank you!

Where can we find a list of the subgroups?

Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 12122021AD--, at 5:25 05000AM, David Preston <banatmailer@...> wrote:

Hi Cathy,

You have to send email to that list (you have already subscribed BTW).

I have copied the message on how to post to the list below. You basically send email to 
I cannot “move” your email, so please re-post your message to the address above.

Thanks and Merry Christmas,
David



<7469285.jpeg> David Preston
06/14/20   #683  

Hello List Members,

Groups.io allows the creation of 'sub-groups'. The purpose of sub-groups is to permit specialized discussions about a broad range of topics. Instead of the # (hashtags) used in the everybody@banat.groups.io, the new sub-group is named 
This is where Members should share recipes and discuss them in the future. 

Shortly, all Banat List Members will receive an invitation to the new sub-group. If you do NOT wish to join, simply delete the email. If you DO wish to join, please accept the invitation to join he new sub-group.

And, you will be able to subscribe or unsubscribe in the future by going to:
There is another technical reason for this split; the free version of groups.io only allows a limited amount of data (attachments) to be posted in each group. So that we don't run out of space on the Banat List, please use the new sub-group for recipes and discussions of D-S food traditions. 

The Banat and now the recipes sub-group Lists are on a paid-for level of groups.io service so that more information can be posted, and so I can more efficiently manage the Lists.  The creation of sub-groups that extend the amount of attachments allowed under the plan is also an added benefit. But even with the paid subscription, there are limits, and I don't want to loose data in the future.

Cheers and stay safe!
-- 
David Preston
Banat List Admin




On Dec 11, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Cathy Reece <cre29ece@...> wrote:

Dear Dave Preston,

How do I put recipes on Banat list?

I lost the information.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards,
Cathy Reece



--
David Preston
Banat List Admin


Re: Address for entering recipes

Cathy Reece
 

Dave,

Thank you. I found it. Also thank you for posting the Strudel recipes as I couldn’t figure out how to do it then.

Cathy Reece

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 3:43 PM Cathy Reece <cre29ece@...> wrote:
Dear Dave Preston,

How do I put recipes on Banat list?

I lost the information.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards,
Cathy Reece


Re: Address for entering recipes

Rosina T. Schmidt
 

Thank you David,

Rosina


Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 12122021AD--, at 8:58 14000AM, David Preston <banatmailer@...> wrote:

Hi Rosina,

Right now, there are 2 groups: The Banat List and Danube Swabian Recipes. 

If you go to the main page https://banat.groups.io/g/everybody you can see them listed under the heading “Your Groups” (along with any other groups.io boards to which you have subscribed). If you do not see Banat List and Danube Swabian Recipes listed, then you will need to Join the Recipes sub-group as I mentioned in the previous email.

If you don’t see “Your Groups” at he top, but see Log In, it usually means that you have not visited the groups.io website, and have been using the mailing list only. Click the Log In link and enter your email address and click on the "Forgot your password or don’t have one yet?" link to add a password. Now you will have access to the website which has all of the emails as posts and threads. 

The help page: https://groups.io/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/joining-groups has some more information.

Cheers,
David




On Dec 12, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Rosina T. Schmidt <rosinatschmidt@...> wrote:

David,

How fortunate we are to have you! Thank you!

Where can we find a list of the subgroups?

Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 12122021AD--, at 5:25 05000AM, David Preston <banatmailer@...> wrote:

Hi Cathy,

You have to send email to that list (you have already subscribed BTW).

I have copied the message on how to post to the list below. You basically send email to 
I cannot “move” your email, so please re-post your message to the address above.

Thanks and Merry Christmas,
David



<7469285.jpeg> David Preston
06/14/20   

Hello List Members,

Groups.io allows the creation of 'sub-groups'. The purpose of sub-groups is to permit specialized discussions about a broad range of topics. Instead of the # (hashtags) used in the everybody@banat.groups.io, the new sub-group is named 
This is where Members should share recipes and discuss them in the future. 

Shortly, all Banat List Members will receive an invitation to the new sub-group. If you do NOT wish to join, simply delete the email. If you DO wish to join, please accept the invitation to join he new sub-group.

And, you will be able to subscribe or unsubscribe in the future by going to:
There is another technical reason for this split; the free version of groups.io only allows a limited amount of data (attachments) to be posted in each group. So that we don't run out of space on the Banat List, please use the new sub-group for recipes and discussions of D-S food traditions. 

The Banat and now the recipes sub-group Lists are on a paid-for level of groups.io service so that more information can be posted, and so I can more efficiently manage the Lists.  The creation of sub-groups that extend the amount of attachments allowed under the plan is also an added benefit. But even with the paid subscription, there are limits, and I don't want to loose data in the future.

Cheers and stay safe!
-- 
David Preston
Banat List Admin




On Dec 11, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Cathy Reece <cre29ece@...> wrote:

Dear Dave Preston,

How do I put recipes on Banat list?

I lost the information.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards,
Cathy Reece



-- 
David Preston
Banat List Admin



--
David Preston
Banat List Admin


Banat Books News - Kleinsanktpeter Sold Out #feed

everybody@banat.groups.io Integration <everybody@...>
 

Kleinsanktpeter Sold Out

The family book for Kleinsanktpeter & Ketfel - Kleinsiedel is no longer available.


Re: Address for entering recipes

 

Hi Rosina,

Right now, there are 2 groups: The Banat List and Danube Swabian Recipes. 

If you go to the main page https://banat.groups.io/g/everybody you can see them listed under the heading “Your Groups” (along with any other groups.io boards to which you have subscribed). If you do not see Banat List and Danube Swabian Recipes listed, then you will need to Join the Recipes sub-group as I mentioned in the previous email.

If you don’t see “Your Groups” at he top, but see Log In, it usually means that you have not visited the groups.io website, and have been using the mailing list only. Click the Log In link and enter your email address and click on the "Forgot your password or don’t have one yet?" link to add a password. Now you will have access to the website which has all of the emails as posts and threads. 

The help page: https://groups.io/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/joining-groups has some more information.

Cheers,
David




On Dec 12, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Rosina T. Schmidt <rosinatschmidt@...> wrote:

David,

How fortunate we are to have you! Thank you!

Where can we find a list of the subgroups?

Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 12122021AD--, at 5:25 05000AM, David Preston <banatmailer@...> wrote:

Hi Cathy,

You have to send email to that list (you have already subscribed BTW).

I have copied the message on how to post to the list below. You basically send email to 
I cannot “move” your email, so please re-post your message to the address above.

Thanks and Merry Christmas,
David



<7469285.jpeg> David Preston
06/14/20   

Hello List Members,

Groups.io allows the creation of 'sub-groups'. The purpose of sub-groups is to permit specialized discussions about a broad range of topics. Instead of the # (hashtags) used in the everybody@banat.groups.io, the new sub-group is named 
This is where Members should share recipes and discuss them in the future. 

Shortly, all Banat List Members will receive an invitation to the new sub-group. If you do NOT wish to join, simply delete the email. If you DO wish to join, please accept the invitation to join he new sub-group.

And, you will be able to subscribe or unsubscribe in the future by going to:
There is another technical reason for this split; the free version of groups.io only allows a limited amount of data (attachments) to be posted in each group. So that we don't run out of space on the Banat List, please use the new sub-group for recipes and discussions of D-S food traditions. 

The Banat and now the recipes sub-group Lists are on a paid-for level of groups.io service so that more information can be posted, and so I can more efficiently manage the Lists.  The creation of sub-groups that extend the amount of attachments allowed under the plan is also an added benefit. But even with the paid subscription, there are limits, and I don't want to loose data in the future.

Cheers and stay safe!
-- 
David Preston
Banat List Admin




On Dec 11, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Cathy Reece <cre29ece@...> wrote:

Dear Dave Preston,

How do I put recipes on Banat list?

I lost the information.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards,
Cathy Reece



-- 
David Preston
Banat List Admin



--
David Preston
Banat List Admin


Re: Address for entering recipes

Rosina T. Schmidt
 

David,

How fortunate we are to have you! Thank you!

Where can we find a list of the subgroups?

Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 12122021AD--, at 5:25 05000AM, David Preston <banatmailer@...> wrote:

Hi Cathy,

You have to send email to that list (you have already subscribed BTW).

I have copied the message on how to post to the list below. You basically send email to 
I cannot “move” your email, so please re-post your message to the address above.

Thanks and Merry Christmas,
David



<7469285.jpeg> David Preston
06/14/20   

Hello List Members,

Groups.io allows the creation of 'sub-groups'. The purpose of sub-groups is to permit specialized discussions about a broad range of topics. Instead of the # (hashtags) used in the everybody@banat.groups.io, the new sub-group is named 
This is where Members should share recipes and discuss them in the future. 

Shortly, all Banat List Members will receive an invitation to the new sub-group. If you do NOT wish to join, simply delete the email. If you DO wish to join, please accept the invitation to join he new sub-group.

And, you will be able to subscribe or unsubscribe in the future by going to:
There is another technical reason for this split; the free version of groups.io only allows a limited amount of data (attachments) to be posted in each group. So that we don't run out of space on the Banat List, please use the new sub-group for recipes and discussions of D-S food traditions. 

The Banat and now the recipes sub-group Lists are on a paid-for level of groups.io service so that more information can be posted, and so I can more efficiently manage the Lists.  The creation of sub-groups that extend the amount of attachments allowed under the plan is also an added benefit. But even with the paid subscription, there are limits, and I don't want to loose data in the future.

Cheers and stay safe!
-- 
David Preston
Banat List Admin




On Dec 11, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Cathy Reece <cre29ece@...> wrote:

Dear Dave Preston,

How do I put recipes on Banat list?

I lost the information.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards,
Cathy Reece



--
David Preston
Banat List Admin


Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

Karoly Hajdu
 

Hi David,

I agree with you.

The German names were replaced by Hungarian ones mainly in the 20th century.

This accelerated especially after the World War II.

Greetings,

Károly

From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, 12 December, 2021 06:15
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Subject: Re: [banat] Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

 

that is news to me since many of mine did NOT change from German to Hungarian. They retained the spellings they were born with. Toggendorf, Baltes, Brausch/Brasch, etc.

 

David Samuelsen

 

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 10:09 PM Karoly Hajdu <karoly.hajdu@...> wrote:

Schwartz means in Hungarian Fekete.

Horváth means Croatian,.

 

Károly from Budapest

 

Az Android Outlook letöltése


From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Dreyer via groups.io <ddreyer=pacbell.net@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 5:33:53 AM
To: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [banat] Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

 

Mark,

 

Yes, Horvath is a common Hungarian surname which, if I have it correct, means Black.  In later years there was much pressure by the Hungarian government to Magarize ethnic Germans(e.g. Banaters).  The education system in Banater villages converted instruction from German to Hungarian.  Parallel with this move was the requirement that if you wanted a job with the government -----for example, with the post office or the railroad----it was necessary to adapt a Hungarian surname.  Thus, the German Schwartz frequently became Horvath.  Such changes here in the United States also were not unknown, especially during the First World War------in this case, of course, German to English.

 

Dave Dreyer

On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 02:20:21 PM PST, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Cathy,

Thanks for looking.  Horvath is actually the second most common Hungarian surname, so there were lots of Horvaths all over Banat but they likely were not related.  The Martin Horvath from Szücs/Sitsch in Veszprem county was born in 1797 and was orphaned by 1805.  His stepfather Simon Babics died in 1828, so he may have decided to move to Banat at that time - he first appears in Gottlob records in 1831.  There does not appear to have any Horvath relatives that he moved with.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

Karoly Hajdu
 

Gyula Horn 😉

 

Cheers,

Károly

 

From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tibor Tóth via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, 12 December, 2021 08:11
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Subject: Re: [banat] Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

 

Hello everybody,

 

there was no obligation to change the name, only an implied expectation.But many did so because they hoped it would help their career advancement.

 

Some Hungarian Prime ministers from the 19th-20th centur:

 

Sandor Wekerle

Bela Wenckheim

Istvan Friedrich

Gyula Peidl

 

As you can see, it could even have been a Prime Minister with a German surname :-)

 

Greetings,

 

Tibor

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

W David Samuelsen <sammyslc@...> ezt írta (időpont: 2021. dec. 12., V, 6:15):

that is news to me since many of mine did NOT change from German to Hungarian. They retained the spellings they were born with. Toggendorf, Baltes, Brausch/Brasch, etc.

 

David Samuelsen

 

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 10:09 PM Karoly Hajdu <karoly.hajdu@...> wrote:

Schwartz means in Hungarian Fekete.

Horváth means Croatian,.

 

Károly from Budapest

 

Az Android Outlook letöltése


From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Dreyer via groups.io <ddreyer=pacbell.net@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 5:33:53 AM
To: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [banat] Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

 

Mark,

 

Yes, Horvath is a common Hungarian surname which, if I have it correct, means Black.  In later years there was much pressure by the Hungarian government to Magarize ethnic Germans(e.g. Banaters).  The education system in Banater villages converted instruction from German to Hungarian.  Parallel with this move was the requirement that if you wanted a job with the government -----for example, with the post office or the railroad----it was necessary to adapt a Hungarian surname.  Thus, the German Schwartz frequently became Horvath.  Such changes here in the United States also were not unknown, especially during the First World War------in this case, of course, German to English.

 

Dave Dreyer

On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 02:20:21 PM PST, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Cathy,

Thanks for looking.  Horvath is actually the second most common Hungarian surname, so there were lots of Horvaths all over Banat but they likely were not related.  The Martin Horvath from Szücs/Sitsch in Veszprem county was born in 1797 and was orphaned by 1805.  His stepfather Simon Babics died in 1828, so he may have decided to move to Banat at that time - he first appears in Gottlob records in 1831.  There does not appear to have any Horvath relatives that he moved with.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Address for entering recipes

 

Hi Cathy,

You have to send email to that list (you have already subscribed BTW).

I have copied the message on how to post to the list below. You basically send email to 
I cannot “move” your email, so please re-post your message to the address above.

Thanks and Merry Christmas,
David



06/14/20   

Hello List Members,

Groups.io allows the creation of 'sub-groups'. The purpose of sub-groups is to permit specialized discussions about a broad range of topics. Instead of the # (hashtags) used in the everybody@banat.groups.io, the new sub-group is named 
This is where Members should share recipes and discuss them in the future. 

Shortly, all Banat List Members will receive an invitation to the new sub-group. If you do NOT wish to join, simply delete the email. If you DO wish to join, please accept the invitation to join he new sub-group.

And, you will be able to subscribe or unsubscribe in the future by going to:
There is another technical reason for this split; the free version of groups.io only allows a limited amount of data (attachments) to be posted in each group. So that we don't run out of space on the Banat List, please use the new sub-group for recipes and discussions of D-S food traditions. 

The Banat and now the recipes sub-group Lists are on a paid-for level of groups.io service so that more information can be posted, and so I can more efficiently manage the Lists.  The creation of sub-groups that extend the amount of attachments allowed under the plan is also an added benefit. But even with the paid subscription, there are limits, and I don't want to loose data in the future.

Cheers and stay safe!
-- 
David Preston
Banat List Admin




On Dec 11, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Cathy Reece <cre29ece@...> wrote:

Dear Dave Preston,

How do I put recipes on Banat list?

I lost the information.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards,
Cathy Reece



--
David Preston
Banat List Admin


Re: Welcome Tibor Tóth

Florian Straub
 

Hi Charles,

St. Georgen only became a parish in 1862, before that it was a branch of Kathreinfeld.

There is a family book:
https://www.genwiki.de/Kathreinfeld_1997,_OFB

The earlier books are also available at FamilySearch:
https://www.genwiki.de/GOV:KATELDKN05GL#Kirchenb.C3.BCcher

What exactly are you looking for?

Kind regards
Flo


Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

Tibor Tóth
 

Hello everybody,

there was no obligation to change the name, only an implied expectation.But many did so because they hoped it would help their career advancement.

Some Hungarian Prime ministers from the 19th-20th centur:

Sandor Wekerle
Bela Wenckheim
Istvan Friedrich
Gyula Peidl

As you can see, it could even have been a Prime Minister with a German surname :-)

Greetings,

Tibor









W David Samuelsen <sammyslc@...> ezt írta (időpont: 2021. dec. 12., V, 6:15):

that is news to me since many of mine did NOT change from German to Hungarian. They retained the spellings they were born with. Toggendorf, Baltes, Brausch/Brasch, etc.

David Samuelsen

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 10:09 PM Karoly Hajdu <karoly.hajdu@...> wrote:
Schwartz means in Hungarian Fekete.

Horváth means Croatian,.

Károly from Budapest


Az Android Outlook letöltése

From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Dreyer via groups.io <ddreyer=pacbell.net@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 5:33:53 AM
To: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [banat] Deciphering Hungarian Village Name
 
Mark,

Yes, Horvath is a common Hungarian surname which, if I have it correct, means Black.  In later years there was much pressure by the Hungarian government to Magarize ethnic Germans(e.g. Banaters).  The education system in Banater villages converted instruction from German to Hungarian.  Parallel with this move was the requirement that if you wanted a job with the government -----for example, with the post office or the railroad----it was necessary to adapt a Hungarian surname.  Thus, the German Schwartz frequently became Horvath.  Such changes here in the United States also were not unknown, especially during the First World War------in this case, of course, German to English.

Dave Dreyer
On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 02:20:21 PM PST, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:


Hi Cathy,

Thanks for looking.  Horvath is actually the second most common Hungarian surname, so there were lots of Horvaths all over Banat but they likely were not related.  The Martin Horvath from Szücs/Sitsch in Veszprem county was born in 1797 and was orphaned by 1805.  His stepfather Simon Babics died in 1828, so he may have decided to move to Banat at that time - he first appears in Gottlob records in 1831.  There does not appear to have any Horvath relatives that he moved with.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Welcome Tibor Tóth

Tibor Tóth
 

Hello George,

unfortunately I don't have any curch book on either...

Sorry.

Regards,

Tibor



Banat Researcher <banatresearcher@...> ezt írta (időpont: 2021. dec. 12., V, 4:57):

Tibor,

I would like to know if you have Church records for the town of St Georgen an Der Bega, Currently known as Zitiste?.

And if you have copies for the Church Records of Perlasz (Perlez) in Serbian Banat?

Greetings,
Charles


Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

Rosina T. Schmidt
 

Horvath = Hrvat = Croatian

Back in time even prior to the Madjars moving into the Pannonian Plains there were Horvath Slavic tribes in that area. Some were pushed south of the Drava River, the others stayed and assimilated. 

Advent’s greetings from Vancouver Island,

Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 12112021AD--, at 9:14 53000PM, W David Samuelsen <sammyslc@...> wrote:

that is news to me since many of mine did NOT change from German to Hungarian. They retained the spellings they were born with. Toggendorf, Baltes, Brausch/Brasch, etc.

David Samuelsen

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 10:09 PM Karoly Hajdu <karoly.hajdu@...> wrote:
Schwartz means in Hungarian Fekete. 

Horváth means Croatian,. 

Károly from Budapest


Az Android Outlook letöltése

From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Dreyer via groups.io <ddreyer=pacbell.net@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 5:33:53 AM
To: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [banat] Deciphering Hungarian Village Name
 
Mark,

Yes, Horvath is a common Hungarian surname which, if I have it correct, means Black.  In later years there was much pressure by the Hungarian government to Magarize ethnic Germans(e.g. Banaters).  The education system in Banater villages converted instruction from German to Hungarian.  Parallel with this move was the requirement that if you wanted a job with the government -----for example, with the post office or the railroad----it was necessary to adapt a Hungarian surname.  Thus, the German Schwartz frequently became Horvath.  Such changes here in the United States also were not unknown, especially during the First World War------in this case, of course, German to English.

Dave Dreyer
On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 02:20:21 PM PST, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:


Hi Cathy,

Thanks for looking.  Horvath is actually the second most common Hungarian surname, so there were lots of Horvaths all over Banat but they likely were not related.  The Martin Horvath from Szücs/Sitsch in Veszprem county was born in 1797 and was orphaned by 1805.  His stepfather Simon Babics died in 1828, so he may have decided to move to Banat at that time - he first appears in Gottlob records in 1831.  There does not appear to have any Horvath relatives that he moved with.

Thanks,
Mark 




Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

W David Samuelsen
 

that is news to me since many of mine did NOT change from German to Hungarian. They retained the spellings they were born with. Toggendorf, Baltes, Brausch/Brasch, etc.

David Samuelsen

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 10:09 PM Karoly Hajdu <karoly.hajdu@...> wrote:
Schwartz means in Hungarian Fekete.

Horváth means Croatian,.

Károly from Budapest


Az Android Outlook letöltése

From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Dreyer via groups.io <ddreyer=pacbell.net@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 5:33:53 AM
To: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [banat] Deciphering Hungarian Village Name
 
Mark,

Yes, Horvath is a common Hungarian surname which, if I have it correct, means Black.  In later years there was much pressure by the Hungarian government to Magarize ethnic Germans(e.g. Banaters).  The education system in Banater villages converted instruction from German to Hungarian.  Parallel with this move was the requirement that if you wanted a job with the government -----for example, with the post office or the railroad----it was necessary to adapt a Hungarian surname.  Thus, the German Schwartz frequently became Horvath.  Such changes here in the United States also were not unknown, especially during the First World War------in this case, of course, German to English.

Dave Dreyer
On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 02:20:21 PM PST, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:


Hi Cathy,

Thanks for looking.  Horvath is actually the second most common Hungarian surname, so there were lots of Horvaths all over Banat but they likely were not related.  The Martin Horvath from Szücs/Sitsch in Veszprem county was born in 1797 and was orphaned by 1805.  His stepfather Simon Babics died in 1828, so he may have decided to move to Banat at that time - he first appears in Gottlob records in 1831.  There does not appear to have any Horvath relatives that he moved with.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

Karoly Hajdu
 

Schwartz means in Hungarian Fekete.

Horváth means Croatian,.

Károly from Budapest


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From: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Dreyer via groups.io <ddreyer@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 5:33:53 AM
To: everybody@banat.groups.io <everybody@banat.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [banat] Deciphering Hungarian Village Name
 
Mark,

Yes, Horvath is a common Hungarian surname which, if I have it correct, means Black.  In later years there was much pressure by the Hungarian government to Magarize ethnic Germans(e.g. Banaters).  The education system in Banater villages converted instruction from German to Hungarian.  Parallel with this move was the requirement that if you wanted a job with the government -----for example, with the post office or the railroad----it was necessary to adapt a Hungarian surname.  Thus, the German Schwartz frequently became Horvath.  Such changes here in the United States also were not unknown, especially during the First World War------in this case, of course, German to English.

Dave Dreyer
On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 02:20:21 PM PST, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:


Hi Cathy,

Thanks for looking.  Horvath is actually the second most common Hungarian surname, so there were lots of Horvaths all over Banat but they likely were not related.  The Martin Horvath from Szücs/Sitsch in Veszprem county was born in 1797 and was orphaned by 1805.  His stepfather Simon Babics died in 1828, so he may have decided to move to Banat at that time - he first appears in Gottlob records in 1831.  There does not appear to have any Horvath relatives that he moved with.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Deciphering Hungarian Village Name

Dave Dreyer
 

Mark,

Yes, Horvath is a common Hungarian surname which, if I have it correct, means Black.  In later years there was much pressure by the Hungarian government to Magarize ethnic Germans(e.g. Banaters).  The education system in Banater villages converted instruction from German to Hungarian.  Parallel with this move was the requirement that if you wanted a job with the government -----for example, with the post office or the railroad----it was necessary to adapt a Hungarian surname.  Thus, the German Schwartz frequently became Horvath.  Such changes here in the United States also were not unknown, especially during the First World War------in this case, of course, German to English.

Dave Dreyer

On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 02:20:21 PM PST, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:


Hi Cathy,

Thanks for looking.  Horvath is actually the second most common Hungarian surname, so there were lots of Horvaths all over Banat but they likely were not related.  The Martin Horvath from Szücs/Sitsch in Veszprem county was born in 1797 and was orphaned by 1805.  His stepfather Simon Babics died in 1828, so he may have decided to move to Banat at that time - he first appears in Gottlob records in 1831.  There does not appear to have any Horvath relatives that he moved with.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Welcome Tibor Tóth

Banat Researcher
 

Tibor,

I would like to know if you have Church records for the town of St Georgen an Der Bega, Currently known as Zitiste?.

And if you have copies for the Church Records of Perlasz (Perlez) in Serbian Banat?

Greetings,
Charles


Re: Kausch Name

Rosina T. Schmidt
 

Mike,

I had to look up this one. "Old High German personal name Chuzo. variant of Kautz or Kaus


Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 12112021AD--, at 2:33 35000PM, Michael Kausch <mpkausch711@...> wrote:

How about "Kausch". Thanks, Mike

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 4:28 PM Rosina T. Schmidt <rosinatschmidt@...> wrote:
Horvat = Hrvat = Croatian


Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 12112021AD--, at 2:20 18000PM, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:

Hi Cathy,

Thanks for looking.  Horvath is actually the second most common Hungarian surname, so there were lots of Horvaths all over Banat but they likely were not related.  The Martin Horvath from Szücs/Sitsch in Veszprem county was born in 1797 and was orphaned by 1805.  His stepfather Simon Babics died in 1828, so he may have decided to move to Banat at that time - he first appears in Gottlob records in 1831.  There does not appear to have any Horvath relatives that he moved with.

Thanks,
Mark





Re: Horvat Name

Michael Kausch
 

How about "Kausch". Thanks, Mike

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 4:28 PM Rosina T. Schmidt <rosinatschmidt@...> wrote:
Horvat = Hrvat = Croatian


Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 12112021AD--, at 2:20 18000PM, Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...> wrote:

Hi Cathy,

Thanks for looking.  Horvath is actually the second most common Hungarian surname, so there were lots of Horvaths all over Banat but they likely were not related.  The Martin Horvath from Szücs/Sitsch in Veszprem county was born in 1797 and was orphaned by 1805.  His stepfather Simon Babics died in 1828, so he may have decided to move to Banat at that time - he first appears in Gottlob records in 1831.  There does not appear to have any Horvath relatives that he moved with.

Thanks,
Mark

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