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Re: Look-up GERTIANOSCH HEIMAT BOOK 1772-2000--BALLAUER/PALAUER

Deborah H. Owens
 

Hello,

I have a Ballauer in this village possible born 1790 - 1797.  I am very happy to see the possible location for Peter's birth as my forebear is likely related to Peter. 

Deborah


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Subject: Re: [banat] Look-up GERTIANOSCH HEIMAT BOOK 1772-2000--BALLAUER/PALAUER

On one of the popular genealogy sites, one researcher has listed Wiltz, Wiltz, Luxembourg as Peter's place of origin, and another researcher has Wiltz, Wiltz, Luxembourg as Barbara's place of origin. The one listing it as Barbara's place of origin appears to be more thorough, as it lists a Wilhelm/Kalbrunner entry for the Jobba family and a Schlafkreuzerakten record as well.  So, the one for Peter may or may not be correct.  It might be data copied incorrectly from the Jobba side of the family.


Re: Look-up GERTIANOSCH HEIMAT BOOK 1772-2000--BALLAUER/PALAUER

N Bambach
 

On one of the popular genealogy sites, one researcher has listed Wiltz, Wiltz, Luxembourg as Peter's place of origin, and another researcher has Wiltz, Wiltz, Luxembourg as Barbara's place of origin. The one listing it as Barbara's place of origin appears to be more thorough, as it lists a Wilhelm/Kalbrunner entry for the Jobba family and a Schlafkreuzerakten record as well.  So, the one for Peter may or may not be correct.  It might be data copied incorrectly from the Jobba side of the family.


Re: Look-up GERTIANOSCH HEIMAT BOOK 1772-2000--BALLAUER/PALAUER

Cathy Reece
 

Hello Sara!

You’ve found me and Carla!

I’ve sent email to your email.

We are indeed cousins.

Your Matthias is on my chart from the genealogist.

Cathy

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 4:59 PM Sara Haas <sarahaas23@...> wrote:
Well hello long lost cousin! (: I am doing well, how about yourself? I am related via Peter- Mathias- Nickolaus-Franz- Margaret. Margaret was my great grandmother. Franz immigrated to Cincinnati Oh with what seems like everyone else from that region in the early 1900s. What area is your family in? My family has always said that the Ballauers were originally French so I wouldn’t be surprised if the were. 


Re: Look-up GERTIANOSCH HEIMAT BOOK 1772-2000--BALLAUER/PALAUER

Sara Haas
 

Well hello long lost cousin! (: I am doing well, how about yourself? I am related via Peter- Mathias- Nickolaus-Franz- Margaret. Margaret was my great grandmother. Franz immigrated to Cincinnati Oh with what seems like everyone else from that region in the early 1900s. What area is your family in? My family has always said that the Ballauers were originally French so I wouldn’t be surprised if the were. 


Re: Look-up GERTIANOSCH HEIMAT BOOK 1772-2000--BALLAUER/PALAUER

Carla Orvis Hunt
 

Hi Sarah!

Carla here. We’ve all been working on Peter Ballauer for a long time - we do have one lead that means he may have come from France but nothing definite. How are you doing? I’m one of Peter’s 5th great granddaughters. 😉 Peter-Jakob-Josef-Franz-Katharina (was my great grandmother) 💖

Carla Orvis Hunt
Sent from my iPhone, 510.375.7413

"Don't give up trying to do what you really want to do. Where there is love and inspiration, I don't think you can go wrong."
~ Ella Fitzgerald


Re: Look-up GERTIANOSCH HEIMAT BOOK 1772-2000--BALLAUER/PALAUER

Sara Haas
 

Hello Cathy!
i know this post is old, but I am also a descendant of Peter Ballauer and would love to connect and chat about your research. You can email me at sarahaas23@... 
Thanks! 


Re: Orzydorf LookUp for STUMPF & SCHMELZER

Trish Stumpf Garcia
 

Thank you Mike. It does help. It looks like Anna Stumpf is from Billed, and I'm not tracking those Stumpf families. 

Thanks again
Trish :)

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 10:44 AM Michael Scholz <Mikey.berns@...> wrote:


Trish hope this helps
regards
Mike Scholz

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:40 PM Trish Stumpf Garcia <stumpf.garcia@...> wrote:
Hello fellow Banat researchers,

I am tracking a wife of my great-great-granduncle and wondering what is in the family book of her birth village, Orzydorf.
 
Margaretha SCHMELCZER *22 Feb 1885 in Orzydorf
Her parents are Phillipp Schmelczer and Catharina Wilpert. 
 
She married Michael STUMPF in 1909 in Großbetschkerek and her death is unknown.*
 
I see in the list of names in the book** that there are two entries for STUMPF (3845 and 3846).
 
Would someone be willing to send me the entries for STUMPF and let me know if anything further is listed for Margareths SCHMELZER (especially if the Stumpfs listed are not Micheal). I'm attempting to assemble the Stumpf families who descended from Jakob and Melchior who went to Grabatz, so would like the Stumpf entries either way.
 
 
*Inforamtion is from the GroßBetschkerek family book by Leitl & Müller.
** Thanks to Florian Straub who posted in 2020 on this list the link to information about the book including the list of names included.   http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Orzydorf,_OFB 
 
Thank you so much for you assistance.
Best regards,
Trish :)


Re: Orzydorf LookUp for STUMPF & SCHMELZER

 


Trish hope this helps
regards
Mike Scholz

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:40 PM Trish Stumpf Garcia <stumpf.garcia@...> wrote:
Hello fellow Banat researchers,

I am tracking a wife of my great-great-granduncle and wondering what is in the family book of her birth village, Orzydorf.
 
Margaretha SCHMELCZER *22 Feb 1885 in Orzydorf
Her parents are Phillipp Schmelczer and Catharina Wilpert. 
 
She married Michael STUMPF in 1909 in Großbetschkerek and her death is unknown.*
 
I see in the list of names in the book** that there are two entries for STUMPF (3845 and 3846).
 
Would someone be willing to send me the entries for STUMPF and let me know if anything further is listed for Margareths SCHMELZER (especially if the Stumpfs listed are not Micheal). I'm attempting to assemble the Stumpf families who descended from Jakob and Melchior who went to Grabatz, so would like the Stumpf entries either way.
 
 
*Inforamtion is from the GroßBetschkerek family book by Leitl & Müller.
** Thanks to Florian Straub who posted in 2020 on this list the link to information about the book including the list of names included.   http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Orzydorf,_OFB 
 
Thank you so much for you assistance.
Best regards,
Trish :)


Orzydorf LookUp for STUMPF & SCHMELZER

Trish Stumpf Garcia
 

Hello fellow Banat researchers,

I am tracking a wife of my great-great-granduncle and wondering what is in the family book of her birth village, Orzydorf.
 
Margaretha SCHMELCZER *22 Feb 1885 in Orzydorf
Her parents are Phillipp Schmelczer and Catharina Wilpert. 
 
She married Michael STUMPF in 1909 in Großbetschkerek and her death is unknown.*
 
I see in the list of names in the book** that there are two entries for STUMPF (3845 and 3846).
 
Would someone be willing to send me the entries for STUMPF and let me know if anything further is listed for Margareths SCHMELZER (especially if the Stumpfs listed are not Micheal). I'm attempting to assemble the Stumpf families who descended from Jakob and Melchior who went to Grabatz, so would like the Stumpf entries either way.
 
 
*Inforamtion is from the GroßBetschkerek family book by Leitl & Müller.
** Thanks to Florian Straub who posted in 2020 on this list the link to information about the book including the list of names included.   http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Orzydorf,_OFB 
 
Thank you so much for you assistance.
Best regards,
Trish :)


Re: Old Banat postcards

Tibor Tóth
 

Hello Michael,

sorry, but as I wrote in my list circular, the free download for the Banat postcards folder has expired two weeks ago, on 28th May, 23:59:59 hours (UTC+2).

Thank you for your understanding.

Best regards,

Tibor


Michael Kaiser <mkdt@...> ezt írta (időpont: 2022. jún. 9., Cs, 10:24):

Hello Tibor,

my father was from Glogowatz, so I would love to have a look at those postcards.

Thanks in advance!

Michael

Am 24.05.2022 um 11:29 schrieb Tibor Tóth:
Dear list members,

in addition to the vital records from Banat, the other part of my digital collection is some old Banat postcards which I obtained from various sources. I think it is exciting to see how the settlements of our ancestors looked 100-130 years ago.

Now I am offering you a part of my Banat postcard digital collection for download. The pictures are from the following settlements:

Banlok, Billed, Bogarosch
Detta, Deutsch-Bogschan
Fatschet
Gertjanosch, Glogovatz, Grabatz
Gross-Betschkerek, Gross-Scham, Gross-Sanktnikolaus
Hatzfeld
Karansebesch, Kikinda
Lenauheim, Liebling, Lovrin
Marienfeld, Modosch, Mokrin, Moritzfeld
Neu-Beschenowa
Pantschowa, Perjamosch
Rudolfsgnad
Sackelhausen, Schebel, Setschan, Steierdorf
Triebswetter, Tschakowa
Warjasch, Werschetz

A total of 43 files, 110 MB of data.

If you would like to receive these free images, write a message to my address ( lemilpromo@... ) and I will send you the link.

The free download is open until 28th May, 23:59:59 hours (UTC+2).

Best regards,

Tibor


Re: Old Banat postcards

Michael Kaiser
 

Hello Tibor,

my father was from Glogowatz, so I would love to have a look at those postcards.

Thanks in advance!

Michael

Am 24.05.2022 um 11:29 schrieb Tibor Tóth:

Dear list members,

in addition to the vital records from Banat, the other part of my digital collection is some old Banat postcards which I obtained from various sources. I think it is exciting to see how the settlements of our ancestors looked 100-130 years ago.

Now I am offering you a part of my Banat postcard digital collection for download. The pictures are from the following settlements:

Banlok, Billed, Bogarosch
Detta, Deutsch-Bogschan
Fatschet
Gertjanosch, Glogovatz, Grabatz
Gross-Betschkerek, Gross-Scham, Gross-Sanktnikolaus
Hatzfeld
Karansebesch, Kikinda
Lenauheim, Liebling, Lovrin
Marienfeld, Modosch, Mokrin, Moritzfeld
Neu-Beschenowa
Pantschowa, Perjamosch
Rudolfsgnad
Sackelhausen, Schebel, Setschan, Steierdorf
Triebswetter, Tschakowa
Warjasch, Werschetz

A total of 43 files, 110 MB of data.

If you would like to receive these free images, write a message to my address ( lemilpromo@... ) and I will send you the link.

The free download is open until 28th May, 23:59:59 hours (UTC+2).

Best regards,

Tibor


Re: Photos from today's Lovrin

Tibor Tóth
 

Dear Nancy,

I am very grateful for your kind words and recommendation! I was very happy to help you in your family research!

Best regards,

Tibor






Nancy Poole <nkpoole@...> ezt írta (időpont: 2022. jún. 7., K, 6:02):

Tibor -- Thank you for the pictures and for the history of Lovrin.  This was the home of my maternal grandmother and her family, so it is of special interest to me.  

I'm not sure if this is appropriate, but I would like to publicly acknowledge and compliment Tibor on the private research he did on my behalf.  In a short amount of time, he found information about my Lovrin ancestors, that I was never able to find during my 30 years of research.  His report included copies of the original records as well as a translation, for a completely reasonable cost.  I couldn't be happier with the results and would highly recommend his services.

Nancy Poole





Re: Photos from today's Lovrin

Nancy Poole
 

Tibor -- Thank you for the pictures and for the history of Lovrin.  This was the home of my maternal grandmother and her family, so it is of special interest to me.  

I'm not sure if this is appropriate, but I would like to publicly acknowledge and compliment Tibor on the private research he did on my behalf.  In a short amount of time, he found information about my Lovrin ancestors, that I was never able to find during my 30 years of research.  His report included copies of the original records as well as a translation, for a completely reasonable cost.  I couldn't be happier with the results and would highly recommend his services.

Nancy Poole



On Sunday, June 5, 2022, 02:47:12 AM EDT, Tibor Tóth <lemilpromo@...> wrote:


Dear list members,

I will be in Timisoara next week to get more vital records from Banat to facilitate the genealogical research I am doing. During my trip, two days ago I stopped in Lovrin and took some photos because I know there are several list members whose ancestors emigrated from here. I have already helped several list members in their personal family research. If you are interested in this option, please write a private email and I will let you know the details.

But let's get back to Lovrin.

The settlement has been inhabited since the 1400s, initially Serbs and Bulgarians lived here. Then in 1785 some German settlers from Alsace and Lorraine arrived, and the Serbs and the Bulgarians moved away a few years later. The village got its name from a local wealthy Bulgarian who was called Lovrinatz, which is the equivalent of the name Lawrence. Perhaps that is why Saint Lawrence can be seen in the coat of arms of the village.

In the 19th-20th century Lovrin was very famous for its gardeners, and the fruits and vegetables grown in Lovrin were taken all the way even too Budapest and Vienna because they were of such good quality. I remember that in my childhood (the 1960-1970s) the cherries and grapes from Lovrin were the most delicious at the markets from Timisoara. My great-grandmother told me that her grandmother was only willing to buy potatoes which cames from Lovrin :-)

Lovrin currently has about 3,000 inhabitants, 90% of whom are Romanian, and only 5-6 German families live in the settlement. Many emigrated between 1880 and 1910 (many to the United States), and the remainder of the Germans left between 1970 and 1990, settling mainly in West Germany.

In the photos you can see that there are houses that have been beautifully tidied up and maintained, but unfortunately there are also collapsed and damaged houses. You can see the Catholic church consecrated in 1789, where the ancestors of several list members were baptized and where these ancestors were married.

I also took some photos of the surrounding Banat landscape, which (apart from the roads) may not have changed so much in the last 200 years. When renaming the pictures, I tried to give them a name that would help you understand what the photo depicted (e.g. Lovrin_Old School, Lovrin_RC Church Garden or Lovrin_Exit from the village, etc).

If you are interested in the photos I took in Lovrin two days ago, write me an email ( lemilpromo@... ) and I will send you the download link. The folder contains 47 photos and the amount of data is 70 MB.

In the future my plan is to visit several other settlements from  Banat. I will take photos that I will be happy to share with you so that you can see what the villages from which your ancestors emigrated 100-150 years ago look like today.

And a heartfelt "THANK YOU!" to those list members who helps me with PayPal transfers and thus contribute to diminuating my costs and expenses!

Best regards and stay safe,

Tibor



Books:

Rosina T. Schmidt
 

Hello Everybody,

Dr. Geiger, Pero Sola and Marko Krznaric, all historians in the Croatian Historical Institut, just published a book about the Croatian soldier graves at the Mirogoj cemetery in Zagreb. Under Croatian, please understand Croatian citizenship. There were many of our Croatian Danube Swabians buried there. The book is published in the Croatian language, but it is full of photos, and documents, so even if you do not speak the language, it might be helpful to find your missing ancestor who was a soldier from 1941 - to 1945 years.

ISBN 978-953-8335-26-6 


Warm regards from Vancouver Island,

Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net



Photos from today's Lovrin

Tibor Tóth
 

Dear list members,

I will be in Timisoara next week to get more vital records from Banat to facilitate the genealogical research I am doing. During my trip, two days ago I stopped in Lovrin and took some photos because I know there are several list members whose ancestors emigrated from here. I have already helped several list members in their personal family research. If you are interested in this option, please write a private email and I will let you know the details.

But let's get back to Lovrin.

The settlement has been inhabited since the 1400s, initially Serbs and Bulgarians lived here. Then in 1785 some German settlers from Alsace and Lorraine arrived, and the Serbs and the Bulgarians moved away a few years later. The village got its name from a local wealthy Bulgarian who was called Lovrinatz, which is the equivalent of the name Lawrence. Perhaps that is why Saint Lawrence can be seen in the coat of arms of the village.

In the 19th-20th century Lovrin was very famous for its gardeners, and the fruits and vegetables grown in Lovrin were taken all the way even too Budapest and Vienna because they were of such good quality. I remember that in my childhood (the 1960-1970s) the cherries and grapes from Lovrin were the most delicious at the markets from Timisoara. My great-grandmother told me that her grandmother was only willing to buy potatoes which cames from Lovrin :-)

Lovrin currently has about 3,000 inhabitants, 90% of whom are Romanian, and only 5-6 German families live in the settlement. Many emigrated between 1880 and 1910 (many to the United States), and the remainder of the Germans left between 1970 and 1990, settling mainly in West Germany.

In the photos you can see that there are houses that have been beautifully tidied up and maintained, but unfortunately there are also collapsed and damaged houses. You can see the Catholic church consecrated in 1789, where the ancestors of several list members were baptized and where these ancestors were married.

I also took some photos of the surrounding Banat landscape, which (apart from the roads) may not have changed so much in the last 200 years. When renaming the pictures, I tried to give them a name that would help you understand what the photo depicted (e.g. Lovrin_Old School, Lovrin_RC Church Garden or Lovrin_Exit from the village, etc).

If you are interested in the photos I took in Lovrin two days ago, write me an email ( lemilpromo@... ) and I will send you the download link. The folder contains 47 photos and the amount of data is 70 MB.

In the future my plan is to visit several other settlements from  Banat. I will take photos that I will be happy to share with you so that you can see what the villages from which your ancestors emigrated 100-150 years ago look like today.

And a heartfelt "THANK YOU!" to those list members who helps me with PayPal transfers and thus contribute to diminuating my costs and expenses!

Best regards and stay safe,

Tibor



Stefan Jäger paintings

Tibor Tóth
 


Dear list members,

Stefan Jäger (1877-1962) was born 145 years ago and died 60 years ago. He was perhaps the greatest and most famous Banat painter who immortalized the daily life of the Banat Germans (in majority: Swabians) in his paintings, from the first settlement of the Banaterschwaben in the 1700s to between the two world wars. When I'm going to Hatzfeld, I always visit the local Jäger Museum (he died in Hatzfeld), where there are many of his paintings, as well as a lot of artifacts and memorabilia of traditional Banat German folk culture. When I went to school in Timisoara in the 1970s, we learned about him in art history lessons.

His paintings shows all the details of the former traditional life of the Germans in Banat, from the holidays to farming, from animal husbandry to family life and leisure activities. And I think it is not difficult to imagine our grandfathers/mothers, great-grandfathers/mothers and other ancestors in place of those persons in the paintings, as they probably lived and dressed that way at that time.

I recommend this German language website ( https://jaeger.banater-archiv.de/index.php?title=Hauptseite ) to those list members who would like to know the painter's biography and work in detail, but who only want a taste of it, I have collected and downloaded 45 photos of his paintings, which I will make available to those who write me an email ( lemilpromo@... ). I'll send them the download link, which is active until 7th June, 23:59:59 hours (UTC+2).

The folder has 47 files and the data amount is only 12 MB. I think you will love the paintings.

Let's remember our common cultural heritage!

Best regards,

Tibor






Re: Grabatz lookup: Katharina Gassner

Rudolf Huepfl
 

Hallo Flo,

Copies from the relevant Gassner family have been sent by private mail, Rudolf


Re: Grabatz lookup: Katharina Gassner

Tibor Tóth
 

Hello Flo,

you can find attached the baptism entry of Catharina GASZNER (entry nr. 106 on the page) from the Grabatz church book.

Take care,

Tibor


Florian Straub <Flominator@...> ezt írta (időpont: 2022. máj. 28., Szo, 21:16):


Hi everybody,

can somebody please do a lookup in the Grabatz family book for this
Katharina Gassner born 25 November 1861 and hopefully share her ancestors?

https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Gassner-202

Thanks a lot and kind regards from Black Forest

Flo






Grabatz lookup: Katharina Gassner

Florian Straub
 

Hi everybody,

can somebody please do a lookup in the Grabatz family book for this
Katharina Gassner born 25 November 1861 and hopefully share her ancestors?

https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Gassner-202

Thanks a lot and kind regards from Black Forest

Flo


Re: Schools in the Banat

Kathy Plourde
 

It all worked out.  He was eventually employed as a gardener in Kitchener where he designed and planted the formal flower beds at Victoria Park and Kitchener’s city Hall.

Kathy

On May 28, 2022, at 10:22 AM, Rosina T. Schmidt <rosinatschmidt@...> wrote:


Kathy,

Your ancestor’s talents did not go toward the church's directions, as per your notes his report card noted a failing grade. Even during my time of schooling in that country, a “1” indicated a failing grade and a “5” was the top mark.

Greetings from Vancouver Island,


Rosina T. Schmidt 
www.hrastovac.net


On 05272022AD--, at 10:35 23000PM, Tibor Tóth <lemilpromo@...> wrote:

Hi Kathy,

concerning the initials:

1.) r.k. = római katolikus = roman catholic

2.) tdm = tandíjmentes = exempted from paying tuition fees

3.) np = növendékpap = priest in noviciate


Greetings,

Tibor



Kathy Plourde via groups.io <daveKathyplourde=icloud.com@groups.io> ezt írta (időpont: 2022. máj. 27., P, 21:31):
Thanks, Rosina and Tibor, for your responses.  My grandfather was the second oldest son so I guess he was the one for the church. 

I likely made an error with the tuition amount  -  I’ll have to check that. He came from a family of 9 children so they probably were unable to pay a such a large sum of money. The marks on his school report were 1’s and 2’s (with one 3) so perhaps he received some assistance with his school fees.

Some initials appear behind his name in the Szeged Magy. Kir. Allami Fogimnazium 1910-11 report. They are r.k., tdm. I’m guessing that r.k. is Roman Catholic but I don’t know what tdm. stands for. In the 1911-12 report, the initials changed to np. In the 1912 Katholikus Szemle, the word papnov is behind his name. Could that be novitiate priest?

Here’s a screenshot of the entry:

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Kathy

On May 26, 2022, at 12:49 PM, Tibor Tóth <lemilpromo@...> wrote:

Hello Kathy,

The high school (Gymnasium) wasn’t cheap, but if the child (or their parents) applied for a scholarship and got it, it was already easier.

There were also church, professional, and civic scholarships, without which only wealthy families could afford to send their children in high school. You also write that your grandfather’s one-year tuition reached 1437 crowns (which seems pretty much to me, but it's not impossible). You should know that the purchasing power of a 1900-1910 crown was roughly equal to the current $5, so the annual tuition was equal (in actual purchase power) with  $7,185.

The distance between Timisoara and Szeged is about 70-75 miles, which is not so big. In the early 20th century it could be done by train in 2, maximum 3 hours. There was a lively cultural, commercial and economic relationship between the two cities, so it is not very surprising that there was also a passage between the schools.

Greetings,

Tibor



Kathy Plourde via groups.io <daveKathyplourde=icloud.com@groups.io> ezt írta (időpont: 2022. máj. 26., Cs, 17:53):
Hi Tibor,

I have a question on a different subject - higher education in the Banat. Was it common for people to go to high school or Gymnasium? I asked about it previously (before you joined this group).

I did a search on the Arcanum.hu website and it returned a number of hits with my grandfather’s name (Mathias Potje). I already knew that he studied at Catholic high school in Temesvar but was surprised to see that his name also came up for the Magy. Kir. Allami Fogimnazium in Szeged. This school as well as the Kegyestanitorendi Fogimnazium in Temesvar printed annual books that included tables with the students’ names and grades. His youngest sister (who was 16 years younger than him) told us that he wanted to be a priest and had studied theology but dropped out.  His report card for one year showed the tuition amount as 1437  - I think the currency at the time in Hungary was Krone.

What I don’t understand is why a young boy who lived in Szakalhaza  (born in 1895 so approximately age 13 in 1908) would be sent to Szeged to go to school - I’m assuming it was a boarding school. He was there for the 1909 and 1910 and then at  Kegystanitorendi Fogimnazium in Temesvar 1911 and dropped out in 1912.

After that he studied horticulture at the Royal Hungarian Academy in Budapest until he was drafted to go into the army in 1915. He was listed as a Faehnrich in der Reserve in 1917 in the Ranglisten in the Austro-Hungarian army.









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