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Sankt Hubert Look Up


Mark Zajac
 

Hello,

Would someone be able to do a look up in the Sankt Hubert FB for the following individuals:

  • Franz Blaise (variants Blesz/Pless) and his son Georg Blaise (*c. 1768)
  • Franz Adam (*c. 1766) and his wife Anna Pereng (*c. 1768)
Thanks so much,
Mark


 

Mark,

See attached--these entries from the early St. Hubert FB  should get you going!  Note that the Franz Pereng entry ends there (nothing on the next page)

Cheers,

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...>
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 11:22 am
Subject: [banat] Sankt Hubert Look Up

Hello,

Would someone be able to do a look up in the Sankt Hubert FB for the following individuals:

  • Franz Blaise (variants Blesz/Pless) and his son Georg Blaise (*c. 1768)
  • Franz Adam (*c. 1766) and his wife Anna Pereng (*c. 1768)
Thanks so much,
Mark


Mark Zajac
 

Thanks so much, Bill.  Was there anything for Franz Adam (Adam is the surname)?


 

Mark,

My bad--I assumed Adam was a given name!  And there I was, thinking "this line doesn't seem to continue...."  

See attached for 5 pages of Adams, which should get you all of the male side in St. Hubert in the early years.  These are the first 5 pages in the book; take note of the entry above that for Franz Adam.  A Johann Adam who also marries a Perrein, and she is Catharina, vs. Franz Adam's wife who is Catharina Anna--brothers marrying sisters?  

There is nothing immediately obvious for Franz Adam's wife except her listing there as Catharina Anna Perrein.  However, this early St. Hubert book is a mess of variant spellings, and not even always in any kind of logical order, so it bears more research.  From a quick look, it might be that her family came from Bogarosch or Nakodorf, but also there are indications there of "Lorang Kath" and "Loth.".  I'll let you know if I find anything else.

Have fun,

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...>
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [banat] Sankt Hubert Look Up

Thanks so much, Bill.  Was there anything for Franz Adam (Adam is the surname)?


Robert Bosch
 

 Mark and William,

   I strongly suspect that I am a descendent of Franz Perreng,Biring, Piringer and Cath. Adam.
My great grandfather Franz Biring was born in 1844 in Seultor. They might just be his grandparents.

Also, on Ftdna I am a dna match for William Paul Knuttel. Might that be you?
We communicated here before I discovered the match.

On Saturday, October 24, 2020, 7:03 PM, William Knuttel via groups.io <wknuttel@...> wrote:

Mark,

My bad--I assumed Adam was a given name!  And there I was, thinking "this line doesn't seem to continue...."  

See attached for 5 pages of Adams, which should get you all of the male side in St. Hubert in the early years.  These are the first 5 pages in the book; take note of the entry above that for Franz Adam.  A Johann Adam who also marries a Perrein, and she is Catharina, vs. Franz Adam's wife who is Catharina Anna--brothers marrying sisters?  

There is nothing immediately obvious for Franz Adam's wife except her listing there as Catharina Anna Perrein.  However, this early St. Hubert book is a mess of variant spellings, and not even always in any kind of logical order, so it bears more research.  From a quick look, it might be that her family came from Bogarosch or Nakodorf, but also there are indications there of "Lorang Kath" and "Loth.".  I'll let you know if I find anything else.

Have fun,

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...>
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [banat] Sankt Hubert Look Up

Thanks so much, Bill.  Was there anything for Franz Adam (Adam is the surname)?


Joseph Matye
 

Mark and Bill,

Peter (Johann Peter, Pierre) ADAM and Anne MARCHAL (entry 0005 in the FB) were the parents of Johann and Franz. They are also my 6G grandparents. The ADAM family comes from Aubécourt in Lorraine (some sources show Han sur Nied which was an adjoining village) and the MARCHAL family from Vittoncourt. Peter and Anne migrated in 1770 along with Peter’s brother Dominique and his family. Both families initially stayed in Bogarosch; Peter’s family moved to Saint Hubert, while Dominique’s family stayed in Bogarosch. 

Let me know if you need more information.

Regards,

Joe Matye



On Oct 24, 2020, at 7:03 PM, William Knuttel via groups.io <wknuttel@...> wrote:

Mark,

My bad--I assumed Adam was a given name!  And there I was, thinking "this line doesn't seem to continue...."  

See attached for 5 pages of Adams, which should get you all of the male side in St. Hubert in the early years.  These are the first 5 pages in the book; take note of the entry above that for Franz Adam.  A Johann Adam who also marries a Perrein, and she is Catharina, vs. Franz Adam's wife who is Catharina Anna--brothers marrying sisters?  

There is nothing immediately obvious for Franz Adam's wife except her listing there as Catharina Anna Perrein.  However, this early St. Hubert book is a mess of variant spellings, and not even always in any kind of logical order, so it bears more research.  From a quick look, it might be that her family came from Bogarosch or Nakodorf, but also there are indications there of "Lorang Kath" and "Loth.".  I'll let you know if I find anything else.

Have fun,

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...>
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [banat] Sankt Hubert Look Up

Thanks so much, Bill.  Was there anything for Franz Adam (Adam is the surname)?
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Hi Robert,

Interesting!   After Mark sent his request, I started looking at my own tree because I knew I had listings for individuals with variations on the Bereng surname.  Franz "Piringer" is in my tree, and he married my 5g-grandmother Katharina Schneider, born ca. 1769, probably in Lorraine.  Does that sound familiar?  

I'll hunt around for the ftDNA match, because you certainly connect to me!

Cheers,

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Bosch via groups.io <bobert87@...>
To: everybody@banat.groups.io; mazajac97@... <mazajac97@...>
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: [banat] Sankt Hubert Look Up

 Mark and William,

   I strongly suspect that I am a descendent of Franz Perreng,Biring, Piringer and Cath. Adam.
My great grandfather Franz Biring was born in 1844 in Seultor. They might just be his grandparents.

Also, on Ftdna I am a dna match for William Paul Knuttel. Might that be you?
We communicated here before I discovered the match.

Robert Bosch


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On Saturday, October 24, 2020, 7:03 PM, William Knuttel via groups.io <wknuttel@...> wrote:
Mark,

My bad--I assumed Adam was a given name!  And there I was, thinking "this line doesn't seem to continue...."  

See attached for 5 pages of Adams, which should get you all of the male side in St. Hubert in the early years.  These are the first 5 pages in the book; take note of the entry above that for Franz Adam.  A Johann Adam who also marries a Perrein, and she is Catharina, vs. Franz Adam's wife who is Catharina Anna--brothers marrying sisters?  

There is nothing immediately obvious for Franz Adam's wife except her listing there as Catharina Anna Perrein.  However, this early St. Hubert book is a mess of variant spellings, and not even always in any kind of logical order, so it bears more research.  From a quick look, it might be that her family came from Bogarosch or Nakodorf, but also there are indications there of "Lorang Kath" and "Loth.".  I'll let you know if I find anything else.

Have fun,

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...>
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [banat] Sankt Hubert Look Up

Thanks so much, Bill.  Was there anything for Franz Adam (Adam is the surname)?


 

Hi Joe,

That definitely confirms my suspicions about a Bogarosch connection for the Adam family, thanks.  Mark can run with that, and meanwhile I'll look further into the Lorraine connections you listed.  I'm going to bet that Daniel Hilaire might have a comment here, too, unless you've already pre-empted it!

Hoping this finds you well--

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Matye <joematye@...>
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: [banat] Sankt Hubert Look Up

Mark and Bill,

Peter (Johann Peter, Pierre) ADAM and Anne MARCHAL (entry 0005 in the FB) were the parents of Johann and Franz. They are also my 6G grandparents. The ADAM family comes from Aubécourt in Lorraine (some sources show Han sur Nied which was an adjoining village) and the MARCHAL family from Vittoncourt. Peter and Anne migrated in 1770 along with Peter’s brother Dominique and his family. Both families initially stayed in Bogarosch; Peter’s family moved to Saint Hubert, while Dominique’s family stayed in Bogarosch. 

Let me know if you need more information.

Regards,

Joe Matye



On Oct 24, 2020, at 7:03 PM, William Knuttel via groups.io <wknuttel@...> wrote:

Mark,

My bad--I assumed Adam was a given name!  And there I was, thinking "this line doesn't seem to continue...."  

See attached for 5 pages of Adams, which should get you all of the male side in St. Hubert in the early years.  These are the first 5 pages in the book; take note of the entry above that for Franz Adam.  A Johann Adam who also marries a Perrein, and she is Catharina, vs. Franz Adam's wife who is Catharina Anna--brothers marrying sisters?  

There is nothing immediately obvious for Franz Adam's wife except her listing there as Catharina Anna Perrein.  However, this early St. Hubert book is a mess of variant spellings, and not even always in any kind of logical order, so it bears more research.  From a quick look, it might be that her family came from Bogarosch or Nakodorf, but also there are indications there of "Lorang Kath" and "Loth.".  I'll let you know if I find anything else.

Have fun,

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...>
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [banat] Sankt Hubert Look Up

Thanks so much, Bill.  Was there anything for Franz Adam (Adam is the surname)?
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Mark Zajac
 

Hi Bill and Robert,

Thanks so much!  I didn't know about Catharina Perrein & Johanna Adam.  I am independently going through the original Sankt Hubert records since this FB is a bit messy, so this connection warrants some additional follow up.  I believe these Perrein "sisters" had a brother Jakob Pereng (1766-1809), who is my 6x great grandfather.  There was another sibling Johann Pereng, who is the father of the Franz Perreng that Robert mentioned.  I am also on ftDNA but did not notice either of you as a match.  Based on my research Pereng and Piringer families seem to be separate (not a spelling variation), so perhaps you are connected through the Piringers instead.  Daniel and I discussed the Perengs this summer and we were both at a dead end, but now I'm motivated to research this again with this new info.

Thanks,
Mark


 

Bonjour à vous tous,

You work - very well - when I sleep, so when I wake up you have yet answer your own questions! 😀

But may be you are still interested in the BLAISE (BLESZ) family?
François BLAISE is born in Vergaville on Nov 3, 1722. He married Catherine PEUDRAY and their son, George is born in Vergaville on Aug 31, 1767.
As you know George married Cecilia ADAM in Saint-Hubert.
Francois's pedigree is interesting (you can find it on the Geneanet file "Lorrains du Banat") as his paternal grandmother is Marie BIZE. Marie had a sister, Catherine BIZE who married Jean BARTOUT and they are the ancestors of the BARTOUTs in the Banat (Triebswetter).

Take care,

Daniel





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Hi Joe,

That definitely confirms my suspicions about a Bogarosch connection for the Adam family, thanks.  Mark can run with that, and meanwhile I'll look further into the Lorraine connections you listed.  I'm going to bet that Daniel Hilaire might have a comment here, too, unless you've already pre-empted it!

Hoping this finds you well--

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Matye <joematye@...>
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: [banat] Sankt Hubert Look Up

Mark and Bill,

Peter (Johann Peter, Pierre) ADAM and Anne MARCHAL (entry 0005 in the FB) were the parents of Johann and Franz. They are also my 6G grandparents. The ADAM family comes from Aubécourt in Lorraine (some sources show Han sur Nied which was an adjoining village) and the MARCHAL family from Vittoncourt. Peter and Anne migrated in 1770 along with Peter’s brother Dominique and his family. Both families initially stayed in Bogarosch; Peter’s family moved to Saint Hubert, while Dominique’s family stayed in Bogarosch. 

Let me know if you need more information.

Regards,

Joe Matye



On Oct 24, 2020, at 7:03 PM, William Knuttel via groups.io <wknuttel@...> wrote:

Mark,

My bad--I assumed Adam was a given name!  And there I was, thinking "this line doesn't seem to continue...."  

See attached for 5 pages of Adams, which should get you all of the male side in St. Hubert in the early years.  These are the first 5 pages in the book; take note of the entry above that for Franz Adam.  A Johann Adam who also marries a Perrein, and she is Catharina, vs. Franz Adam's wife who is Catharina Anna--brothers marrying sisters?  

There is nothing immediately obvious for Franz Adam's wife except her listing there as Catharina Anna Perrein.  However, this early St. Hubert book is a mess of variant spellings, and not even always in any kind of logical order, so it bears more research.  From a quick look, it might be that her family came from Bogarosch or Nakodorf, but also there are indications there of "Lorang Kath" and "Loth.".  I'll let you know if I find anything else.

Have fun,

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...>
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [banat] Sankt Hubert Look Up

Thanks so much, Bill.  Was there anything for Franz Adam (Adam is the surname)?
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Mark Zajac
 

Hi Bill,

Would you mind doing another look up for the following individuals:

  • Joseph Clement (*c. 1750)
  • Franz Moine (*c. 1782)
  • Nicolaus Muztat (variants Mustat/Mutat)
Thanks so much for all your help!
Mark


 

Hi Mark,

Just have a minute, but see attached.  On a quick search, I only found one Clement (in the K section), but it seems to be your guy.  Nothing at all on Franz Moine--do you have any more clues there?  I tried a bunch of name variations, but nothing clicked.  And I did find the Nikolaus Mustat et al.

Cheers!

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Zajac <mazajac97@...>
To: everybody@banat.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2020 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: [banat] Sankt Hubert Look Up

Hi Bill,

Would you mind doing another look up for the following individuals:

  • Joseph Clement (*c. 1750)
  • Franz Moine (*c. 1782)
  • Nicolaus Muztat (variants Mustat/Mutat)
Thanks so much for all your help!
Mark


Mark Zajac
 

Once again, thanks so much!  I believe Franz Moine should be family number 2335.